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CK2 Dev Diary #84 - Renovating Russia

Greetings!

Today we’re going back into the cartographer’s office to view the latest maps of the vast lands that lie just before the eternal steppes, where the Volga flows - the land of the proud Rus’. The Russian lands have always felt rather underdeveloped in CK2 compared to their size, even very important sites such as Kiev or Novgorod have been occupied by massive Counties that hardly give the area justice. As the area is one which lies in between the lords of feudal western europe, the Roman remnants in Byzantium and the relentless nomads of the steppes we thought it much too interesting to not develop further.

As Russia is quite big, we’ve broken the images up into three parts. These pictures are all from the year 769, so if something isn’t named as you expect it to be (i.e. Novgorod being named Ilmen) that’s the reason why.

Starting off with the north:
RussiaDD_North.png

As you can see, the definition has increased rather significantly. Historicity has also been improved, as the new borders are all based on sources from between the years ~600 to ~1300 (From proto-slavic tribes migrating in the area to the dissolution of the Kievan Rus' by internal strife and the Mongol hordes) with a focus on the 700-1100 timespan.

Now the south:
RussiaDD_South.png

Of primary note is that Kiev is now split up, and no longer one single humongous County. Those of you with sharp eyes might also notice that there is a new nomadic nation up by Radimichia and Severia - the Burtas clan, which is Turkic.

And as a bonus, Wallachia:
RussiaDD_Wallachia.png

As Bessarabia was so interconnected with the Kievan and Crimean lands, it felt right to also give the kingdom of Wallachia a facelift.

And now for the De Jure maps, as they have been requested in every previous map Dev Diary so far!

Duchies:
RussiaDD_769DeJureDuchies.png


Kingdoms:
RussiaDD_769DeJureKingdoms.png


You may notice that the old Rus’ kingdom is gone, replaced with the much more historical kingdoms of Novgorod and Vladimir. There are also several new smaller kingdoms, such as Galicia-Volhynia and Chernigov which both provide new opportunities and new risks, depending on if you’re playing in the Tribal era or Feudal era.

Empires:
RussiaDD_769DeJureEmpires.png

There was no doubt that the Tartarian empire was too big, that’s why when we had to add to it (the Kingdom of Perm is now part of it instead of Russia) we felt the need to break it up. In the south you can now see an empire of the Pontic Steppe - closely representing the Khazarian sphere of influence at its height.

Here’s a screenshot of how the 867 setup will look:
RussiaDD_867.png

And here’s 1066:
RussiaDD_1066.png

The major thing in this date is that after Yaroslav the Wise's death in 1054, his land in the Kievan Rus was divided between his 5 sons. Internal strife erupted quickly after between the sons and other relatives (like the prince of Polotsk), hurting the stability of the state.

That's why although the Kievan Rus' still existed as somewhat centralized around the Grand Prince of Kiev, at least for a while, unity wasn't the key word to describe the state. We've reflected that by keeping the different duchies independent but still tributaries to Kiev - until civil war starts again when brothers, sons, and cousins start pushing for their claims...

Changelog:
Code:
- Map Update to Russia
   - Major overhaul of the whole russian sphere
    - All major & minor rivers reshaped
    - e_russia is now created through 5 kingdoms (Ruthenia, Novgorod, Vladimir, Chernigov & Galicia-Volhynia)
    - 3 new kingdoms : Vladimir, Chernigov, Galicia-Volhynia
    - k_rus renamed from "Rus" to "Novgorod"
    - 4 new duchies (Cherven Cities, Karachev, Novosil, Murom)
    - 37 new provinces added to the general area
    - A few titular russian-tribes-themed duchies added for earlier startdates

Note that from now on, CK2 Dev Diaries will take place on Fridays rather than Mondays!
 
Will you also add more count-tier vassals to the russian principalities in 1066 and beyond? Some russian non-rurikids boyars as well as remnants of the tribes could be good candidates, there certainly were some all over the Kievan Rus.
 
Nice! Vyatichi are still in the wrong place, though. Novosil and Karachev duchies were Vyatich regions.

Can the Empire of the Pontic Steppe get cultural names? Like Cumania for Cumans, Khazaria for Khazars, Pechenegia for Pechenegs etc?
I will most likely be held by nomads anyway, which have no use for creating empires and won't use it as a primary title
 
I think the biggest problem would be the capital not being a coastal province.

The biggest problem would be to make it accurate. There was stilla Grand Prince of Novgorod invited by the Republic. How do we represent them like Alexander Nevsky? Also technically the Patriarch of Novgorod was the head of state. It was quiet complex mechanically.
 
"Pontic Steppes" sounds very, very bad. "Empire of the Steppes" would be better than this.

I think the biggest problem would be the capital not being a coastal province.

They could 1) add a unique inland republic system or 2) make a Major River flowing from Novgorod into the ocean, and turn Novgorod into coastal (like the AGOT mod does with inland Qohor and Norvos).

Republican Novgorod, or we riot!

@Slayen, @Heathen, @Qwalen, got something to add?
 
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They could 1) add a unique inland republic system or 2) make a Major River flowing from Novgorod into the ocean, and turn Novgorod into coastal (like the AGOT mod does with inland Qohor and Norvos).

Republican Novgorod, or we riot!
I'm all for any solution as long as it's fun to play and is as close as we can get to portraying what was happening in the history.
 
With the new portraits and this map fix, there are way less parts of CK2 that are too ugly to look at. West Africa being the worst, and followed by the few remaining cultures that use default western faces.
 
Looks great! Tartaria was a monster, nice that it is a bit smaller. And I like getting new titles to form.
 
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The major thing in this date is that after Yaroslav the Wise's death in 1054, his land in the Kievan Rus was divided between his 5 sons. Internal strife erupted quickly after between the sons and other relatives (like the prince of Polotsk), hurting the stability of the state.

That's why although the Kievan Rus' still existed as somewhat centralized around the Grand Prince of Kiev, at least for a while, unity wasn't the key word to describe the state. We've reflected that by keeping the different duchies independent but still tributaries to Kiev - until civil war starts again when brothers, sons, and cousins start pushing for their claims...
Given that it doesn't appear in the de jure maps, is this "Kievan Rus" a titular kingdom, or is it a cultural name for Ruthenia?
 
Kiev.
Nope, no plan to make Moscow a capital so far. If I remember correctly, the DeJure capitale for k_vladimir was Vladimir. Which sounds obvious said like that, but there were a few capital-worthy cities to chose from. Basically Moskva became important a bit too late compared to our available bookmarks for to do something special with it.



Yep, will be updated to empire of Russia


Arthur
What about us who already have the achievement, do we get to keep it because I did an entire play though to get that (and yes I did form the empire)
 
I think I should correct the mess with de-jure names of kingdoms and empires:
"Russia" is a Greek equivalent for Latin "Ruthenia", so it's really weird to see a Kingdom of Ruthenia and an Empire of Russia (which became more of thing after CK2 scope). Your names make as much sense as "Kingdom of Ellada (Ελλάδα)" and "Empire of Greece".

To make things even more complicated:

I think 2 options make sense in this setup:
  • 1. Rename the "Empire of Russia" to "Empire of Rus". This is the most obvious solution.
  • 2. Rename "Russia" to "Rusia". There is a big difference between adjectives "русский" (russian) and "руський" (rusian or rusyn).
On a side note: why have you removed "Taurida\Taurica" and replaced it with "Crimea"?
 
What about us who already have the achievement, do we get to keep it because I did an entire play though to get that (and yes I did form the empire)
Pretty sure you can't lose already obtained achievements, unless they make a completely new one but that's very unlikely.
 
So will Lake Ladoga finally grant ports now? Parts of Finland seem to already have been part of Novgorod. Would be nice to have that reflected on the map.