Short summary of your issue When you get some titles with no gender law of their own and some that do have such law, it breaks confederate partition, even if the specific gender law of those titles is the exact same as that of the realm.
Game Version 1.03
What OS are you playing on?
Windows
What platform are you using?
Steam
Do you have mods enabled? No
Have you tried verifying your game files (Steam only)?
Yes
How much "pain" is this causing you?
10
Please explain the issue you experienced in the most condensed way possible
As the title already says, most titles have no explicit gender law of of their own and in their case the gender law is imposed by the overall realm law on the issue. However, some titles do get a gender law that is specifically a part of their own succession laws.
When a character gets multiple titles of the same level and some of the titles have their own gender laws while others do not, the titles with the specific gender laws of their own are not considered in the confederate partition. Instead, they all go to the oldest possible heir and essentially act as if they had primogeniture enabled.
Also, I've seen it happen to even titles belonging to tribal pagans, even ones that have no specific gender laws at the start. Even though a tribal pagan has no way of changing gender preference of a title, as that requires high crown authority and tribal laws have tribal authority and not crown authority. Meaning that either the titles can get their own gender laws spontaneously or that the AI cheats and ignores the crown authority requirement.
On that note, I feel like being unable to change even the gender laws of a title (or the realm) as a tribal pagan is also unintended. You can't even change either from male preference to male only as a male dominated religion. It seems like someone missed "high crown authority OR high tribal authority" in the gender laws.
Please explain how to reproduce the issue
Get multiple titles of the same level and then add a specific gender laws (but one that is actually the same as the realm succession gender laws) to some of the titles. Then get multiple heirs and see who inherits what.
Is there anything else you think could help us identify/replicate the issue?
I made screenshots from the attached save file showcasing the issue. In this save the Duke of Chernigov also has Duchies of Cantabria, Castille and Viscaya. He also has five daughters and no sons. As such, given the confederate partition, first four daughters should get a duchy each.
As can be seen in the first picture, the realm's gender law is male preference. It also shows that the player heir is the oldest daughter, Blahomíra. And that the other three ducal titles are not in the "titles lost on succession" tab, but instead are in their own category of "titles with their own title succession".
Pictures 2-4 show that the custom title succession law of the other three duchies is male preference. It also shows that the heiress of all three of those titles is also Blahomíra. I.e. she gets all four of the ducal titles despite confederate partition.
Pictures 5 and 6 prove that the "different" title law is indeed male preference, despite it also being the realm gender law (and, as such, the law of Duchy of Chernigov as well).
In picture 5 we get result of me attempting to add male preference law to the Duchy of Chernigov. It showed that the law cannot be added due to me not having high crown authority. Which shows that this title does not have the male preference as its own gender law and that instead it comes from somewhere else, i.e. the realm succession law. It also shows that tribal rulers can't change gender rules, which may or may not be a separate bug itself.
In picture 6 we get the result of me attempting the same for the Duchy of Cantabria. That resulted in no tooltip whatsoever. Which indicates that the male preference is already a part of the title's own succession laws.
In the final picture we can see the results of using the "remove law" button for the three problematic titles. Now first four daughters get a duchy each, as they are supposed to in confederate partition.
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Game Version 1.03
What OS are you playing on?
Windows
What platform are you using?
Steam
Do you have mods enabled? No
Have you tried verifying your game files (Steam only)?
Yes
How much "pain" is this causing you?
10
Please explain the issue you experienced in the most condensed way possible
As the title already says, most titles have no explicit gender law of of their own and in their case the gender law is imposed by the overall realm law on the issue. However, some titles do get a gender law that is specifically a part of their own succession laws.
When a character gets multiple titles of the same level and some of the titles have their own gender laws while others do not, the titles with the specific gender laws of their own are not considered in the confederate partition. Instead, they all go to the oldest possible heir and essentially act as if they had primogeniture enabled.
Also, I've seen it happen to even titles belonging to tribal pagans, even ones that have no specific gender laws at the start. Even though a tribal pagan has no way of changing gender preference of a title, as that requires high crown authority and tribal laws have tribal authority and not crown authority. Meaning that either the titles can get their own gender laws spontaneously or that the AI cheats and ignores the crown authority requirement.
On that note, I feel like being unable to change even the gender laws of a title (or the realm) as a tribal pagan is also unintended. You can't even change either from male preference to male only as a male dominated religion. It seems like someone missed "high crown authority OR high tribal authority" in the gender laws.
Please explain how to reproduce the issue
Get multiple titles of the same level and then add a specific gender laws (but one that is actually the same as the realm succession gender laws) to some of the titles. Then get multiple heirs and see who inherits what.
Is there anything else you think could help us identify/replicate the issue?
I made screenshots from the attached save file showcasing the issue. In this save the Duke of Chernigov also has Duchies of Cantabria, Castille and Viscaya. He also has five daughters and no sons. As such, given the confederate partition, first four daughters should get a duchy each.
As can be seen in the first picture, the realm's gender law is male preference. It also shows that the player heir is the oldest daughter, Blahomíra. And that the other three ducal titles are not in the "titles lost on succession" tab, but instead are in their own category of "titles with their own title succession".
Pictures 2-4 show that the custom title succession law of the other three duchies is male preference. It also shows that the heiress of all three of those titles is also Blahomíra. I.e. she gets all four of the ducal titles despite confederate partition.
Pictures 5 and 6 prove that the "different" title law is indeed male preference, despite it also being the realm gender law (and, as such, the law of Duchy of Chernigov as well).
In picture 5 we get result of me attempting to add male preference law to the Duchy of Chernigov. It showed that the law cannot be added due to me not having high crown authority. Which shows that this title does not have the male preference as its own gender law and that instead it comes from somewhere else, i.e. the realm succession law. It also shows that tribal rulers can't change gender rules, which may or may not be a separate bug itself.
In picture 6 we get the result of me attempting the same for the Duchy of Cantabria. That resulted in no tooltip whatsoever. Which indicates that the male preference is already a part of the title's own succession laws.
In the final picture we can see the results of using the "remove law" button for the three problematic titles. Now first four daughters get a duchy each, as they are supposed to in confederate partition.
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