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Short summary of your issue
I get game over because of poor programming

Game Version
1.3.1

What OS are you playing on?
Windows

What platform are you using?
Steam

Do you have mods enabled?
No

Have you tried verifying your game files (Steam only)?
Yes

How much "pain" is this causing you?
10

Please explain the issue you experienced in the most condensed way possible
My heir has a republic title; when I die the game does not recognise that I have any heir available.

Please explain how to reproduce the issue
Create any game where the heir holds a republic title; kill off the player character, nothing else is needed.

Is there anything else you think could help us identify/replicate the issue?
I believe if you do as above the issue will manifest 100% of the time (although I have only had 2 games where it occurs, since it is not every game that your heir will end up holding a republic title).
Please understand this is not something I can show with a save file because once the bug triggers it will create a game over. I have a game where the situation exists and since in the 2 times that such conditions have existed it has resulted in game over I am certain that it will do so again upon my death.
I can if requested provide a save file but I have no idea how long you would have to wait before the event would trigger.
I do however believe that this is a situation where it is easy to create the bug ie just follow the steps I outlined above. In fact I believe just looking at the way it has been coded will clearly identify the problem. I understand that it seems reasonable to create a game over situation where there is no available heir to continue with BUT in this particular case the only reason that that is the case is because Paradox has decided that republic is not playable!
I have included the save game because this report REQUIRED an attachment (regardless of it's actual usefulness)

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It's not a bug...don't give your heir a republic title, duh. Republics are currently unplayable because there is no dynastic succession for them. Never give anyone in your family a republican title unless you want their line to become titleless in the long run. Are you saying you DIDN'T give him the title and the game just randomly assigned your heir to lead a republic? That would be a bug, but not getting game over because he holds something of your own volition.
 
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It's not a bug...don't give your heir a republic title, duh. Republics are currently unplayable because there is no dynastic succession for them. Never give anyone in your family a republican title unless you want their line to become titleless in the long run. Are you saying you DIDN'T give him the title and the game just randomly assigned your heir to lead a republic? That would be a bug, but not getting game over because he holds something of your own volition.
YES I AM SAYING THAT I DIDN'T GIVE HIM A TITLE!!!! I AM NOT THAT STUPID!!!!! HAVE YOU EVEN LOOKED AT THE SAVE FILE? IF YOU HAD YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT MY HEIR WAS NOT EVEN MY VASSAL!!!! I HAD GIVEN HIM ZERO TITLES!!!! PLEASE CHECK ALL INFORMATION BEFORE JUMPING TO IDIOTIC CONCLUSIONS!!!!
 
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YES I AM SAYING THAT I DIDN'T GIVE HIM A TITLE!!!! I AM NOT THAT STUPID!!!!! HAVE YOU EVEN LOOKED AT THE SAVE FILE? IF YOU HAD YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT MY HEIR WAS NOT EVEN MY VASSAL!!!! I HAD GIVEN HIM ZERO TITLES!!!! PLEASE CHECK ALL INFORMATION BEFORE JUMPING TO IDIOTIC CONCLUSIONS!!!!

You should have mentioned that in your OP. Look I get that bugs are frustrating. I've encountered several and made countless bug reports across PDX titles, but I still try to provide as much relevant information as I can. If you knew the game randomly gave your heir a title you should have stated that. If you knew that the AI gave your heir the title you should have mentioned that. At any rate you should have expressly stated that you yourself never gave your heir the title so the devs knew it wasn't a problem you caused on your own.
 
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YES I AM SAYING THAT I DIDN'T GIVE HIM A TITLE!!!! I AM NOT THAT STUPID!!!!! HAVE YOU EVEN LOOKED AT THE SAVE FILE? IF YOU HAD YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT MY HEIR WAS NOT EVEN MY VASSAL!!!! I HAD GIVEN HIM ZERO TITLES!!!! PLEASE CHECK ALL INFORMATION BEFORE JUMPING TO IDIOTIC CONCLUSIONS!!!!
No, I'm not here to diagnose your save file, 1-post recruit.

Tip #1: Your name sucks. Get a new one that isn't random keys smashed.
Tip #2: I know you like random key smashing but yelling in all caps usually doesn't help you.
Tip #3: Be more specific and clear in bug reports or else no one will ever pay attention to you.
 
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You should have mentioned that in your OP. Look I get that bugs are frustrating. I've encountered several and made countless bug reports across PDX titles, but I still try to provide as much relevant information as I can. If you knew the game randomly gave your heir a title you should have stated that. If you knew that the AI gave your heir the title you should have mentioned that. At any rate you should have expressly stated that you yourself never gave your heir the title so the devs knew it wasn't a problem you caused on your own.
While I accept that I could have included the information that I did not grant the title to my heir, I really did not consider it necessary.

In view of the fact that I mentioned that this has happened to me on several occasions I would expect that nobody would expect me to repeatedly do something which I know is going to result in a "game over"

Secondly I am not even sure it is possible for a player to grant such a title to his heir since you can only grant what they would inherit.

Finally I view it as a bug regardless of how it occurs. Not being playable is a decision made by paradox (presumable because they don't want to deal with the issues of programming it in at this time), it has nothing to do with hereditary rules. It should not have been programmed to give a "game over" but rather to pass the title on to a low noble and continue. I cannot believe that the programmer intended that the game ends if the heir has somehow got a republic title!
 
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No, I'm not here to diagnose your save file, 1-post recruit.

Tip #1: Your name sucks. Get a new one that isn't random keys smashed.
Tip #2: I know you like random key smashing but yelling in all caps usually doesn't help you.
Tip #3: Be more specific and clear in bug reports or else no one will ever pay attention to you.
1: that is the way i found to get a name which would be accepted rather than being told it was already in use.
2: i didn't yell all in caps for my bug report i did it when told it was not a bug because of an assumption that i was stupid enough to give my heir a republic title time after time even though i knew it results in "game over"
3: i thought my report was clear and specific enough; i didn't expect that i would have to spell out "oh by the way, in case you are wondering, i didn't give my heir a republic title several times knowing that it results in "game over", because even though it happened every time before i though maybe this time it will be different", however i will in future frame my reports as though i am talking to an imbecile where i spell out everything in minute detail regardless of how unnecessary it would have originally seemed to anyone of normal intelligence!
 
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You don't need to smash keys to get a name. You are just unimaginative and lazy. My name isn't long gibberish and yet I got it not that long ago :).

"Finally I view it as a bug regardless of how it occurs. Not being playable is a decision made by paradox (presumable because they don't want to deal with the issues of programming it in at this time), it has nothing to do with hereditary rules. It should not have been programmed to give a "game over" but rather to pass the title on to a low noble and continue. I cannot believe that the programmer intended that the game ends if the heir has somehow got a republic title!"

That's just BS all the way through. I take it you didn't play CK2, because you have never been able to play normal republics. It's not 'issues of programming' that prevent normal, playable republics, but the very nature of the game itself. CK3 and it's predecessors are DYNASTIC simulators that RELY on the passing down of landed titles. A republic, by it's very nature, is open to all comers. Anyone could win the election, and thus dynastic succession of your family isn't guaranteed. It has EVERYTHING to do with 'hereditary rules' because that is what the game is based on. You can't just 'pass the title to a low noble and continue' because that low noble isn't part of your dynasty. If you want a game that is NOT a DYNASTIC simulator, go back to EUIV, or play Imperator: Rome, Stellaris, HOIII/IV, etc. CK is not about controlling a country, period. It is about keeping a family landed from the beginning to the end. That is all. The only way you could "continue" a game in this sense was in a MERCHANT REPUBLIC in CK2, which is not the same at all because it's essentially an oligarchy that keeps you playing using an landed family estate in lieu of being Doge and having the associated leader titles.

Assuming that some rando can take over for you is idiotic. THAT is why you get a game over, not "HurR DuRrr tHe deVs suCk gUyS! ThEy ProGRaMed LaZy sO NoW mY **whOlE** sEVEn hOuRs oF CaMpAigN iZ RuInEd BecAUse i DiDn'T KnOW tHAT rEpuBlICS cOulDn'T bE pASseD oN!!!!!!!!" Grow up and read about the game you are playing before whining about it. Being mad that you randomly got a title from a bug is one thing. Trying to say that republics should be "inheritable" and it's PDX's fault is entirely another. There are LOTS of things to bitch at PDX for, believe me, but this isn't one of them.
 
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You don't need to smash keys to get a name. You are just unimaginative and lazy. My name isn't long gibberish and yet I got it not that long ago :).

"Finally I view it as a bug regardless of how it occurs. Not being playable is a decision made by paradox (presumable because they don't want to deal with the issues of programming it in at this time), it has nothing to do with hereditary rules. It should not have been programmed to give a "game over" but rather to pass the title on to a low noble and continue. I cannot believe that the programmer intended that the game ends if the heir has somehow got a republic title!"

That's just BS all the way through. I take it you didn't play CK2, because you have never been able to play normal republics. It's not 'issues of programming' that prevent normal, playable republics, but the very nature of the game itself. CK3 and it's predecessors are DYNASTIC simulators that RELY on the passing down of landed titles. A republic, by it's very nature, is open to all comers. Anyone could win the election, and thus dynastic succession of your family isn't guaranteed. It has EVERYTHING to do with 'hereditary rules' because that is what the game is based on. You can't just 'pass the title to a low noble and continue' because that low noble isn't part of your dynasty. If you want a game that is NOT a DYNASTIC simulator, go back to EUIV, or play Imperator: Rome, Stellaris, HOIII/IV, etc. CK is not about controlling a country, period. It is about keeping a family landed from the beginning to the end. That is all. The only way you could "continue" a game in this sense was in a MERCHANT REPUBLIC in CK2, which is not the same at all because it's essentially an oligarchy that keeps you playing using an landed family estate in lieu of being Doge and having the associated leader titles.

Assuming that some rando can take over for you is idiotic. THAT is why you get a game over, not "HurR DuRrr tHe deVs suCk gUyS! ThEy ProGRaMed LaZy sO NoW mY **whOlE** sEVEn hOuRs oF CaMpAigN iZ RuInEd BecAUse i DiDn'T KnOW tHAT rEpuBlICS cOulDn'T bE pASseD oN!!!!!!!!" Grow up and read about the game you are playing before whining about it. Being mad that you randomly got a title from a bug is one thing. Trying to say that republics should be "inheritable" and it's PDX's fault is entirely another. There are LOTS of things to bitch at PDX for, believe me, but this isn't one of them.
Regardless of whether you agree with me about it being a bug independent of the player granting the title or not is beside the point as is what my name is.
You think my name is lazy, I think your name is stupid but that has got nothing to do with the bug!

In your first reply you said words to the effect that if I hadn't granted the title to my heir then it would be a bug and I have stated that I did not so it seems that we agree it is a bug!

What do the developers expect players to do?
Are we expected to keep checking to see if our heir has been randomly granted a title?
Assuming we find that he/she has, what are we then expected to do?
If he/she is not our direct vassal we cannot strip them of the title (even assuming we have the required authority)!

Whether you like my name or not this is clearly a bug and I am not the only one who has experienced it; also whether you like it or not having titles randomly granted in such a way as to result in "game over", outside of the control of the player is poor programming!
 
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Hello iuhgfddjihgfkgfjlghkjjwaf,

I have checked the issue in question and it seems everything here is working as intended. I understand that you may be frustrated, but please, let's try to be respectful towards each other. :)

Thank you!
 
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Hi again!

I've double-checked the whole thread and noticed you mentioned that you don't know how your heir has been given the title. This issue already exists in our database and our dev team is working on it.

Sorry for the trouble!
 
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