CK III - CK3 - Gameplay - Succession not being implemented correctly

[mihirzor]

Short summary of your issue CK3 - Gameplay - Succession not being implemented correctly

Game Version 1.03

What OS are you playing on?
Windows

What platform are you using?
Steam

Do you have mods enabled? No

Have you tried verifying your game files (Steam only)?
Yes

How much "pain" is this causing you?
8

Please explain the issue you experienced in the most condensed way possible
I am playing the Murchad start in Ireland 1066. I created the kingdom of Ireland. I get an event to change my succession from Confederate Partition to Tanistry Elective. I do so in order to prevent loss on title succession. I elect my successor.

After Murchad's death, my elected successor becomes the ruler. However, he loses all my holdings, including the capital county and duchy in Thurmond. It goes to my firstborn son. My successor gets Dublin, which would the de jure title of the kingdom - he was not supposed to get Dublin, I checked before. That would have gone to my other son. Now, though, as the king of Ireland I *only* have county of Dublin and the kingdom.

When I checked the succession by clicking on the Ireland CoA, I can see that succession is Tanistry Elective. But when I check it in my character window (by hovering on kingdom CoA), I see that it is confederate partition. Please see attached screenshot.

Please explain how to reproduce the issue
Be Kingdom of Ireland's ruler with primary title under Confederate Partition Succession. Change succession law to Tanistry Elective. Check what happens after your death.

Is there anything else you think could help us identify/replicate the issue?


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[PaperWolf]

I had the exact same issue happen to me.

My heir/nephew was set to inherit Ireland through tanistry, but stood to inherit no other titles. Tooltips showed that my domain's two duchies and their counties would be split between my two living sons. While I was trying to figure out what was happening I died. The nephew I'm now playing as inherited Ireland and also automatically usurped Dublin from a vassal since he would've been unlanded, but otherwise all of my previous domain, including the former capital, went to my sons.

I'm assuming the problem had something to do with the realm succession being tanistry and the lower rank titles operating under confederate partition. I can't imagine it's intended to work like this either way.

 

[mihirzor]

I had the exact same issue happen to me.

I figured that was what could have happened, but still it makes no sense. If you had to change the succession law for each title individually, it would be a nightmare if you were an emperor. Furthermore, when the Kingdom succession law is Tanistry and Realm succession law remains Confederate Partition, it serves no purpose but to make the player's job harder - by literally stripping all titles from his heir. I don't think this is intended. Even in CK2 the laws would not work like this.

The most amusing thing is the event that fires after you become the king of Ireland actually pushes you to get Tanistry. I assumed it was a part of Tutorial! And then I find out it actually screwed me over!

 

[Dzikun]

I figured that was what could have happened, but still it makes no sense. If you had to change the succession law for each title individually, it would be a nightmare if you were an emperor. Furthermore, when the Kingdom succession law is Tanistry and Realm succession law remains Confederate Partition, it serves no purpose but to make the player's job harder - by literally stripping all titles from his heir. I don't think this is intended. Even in CK2 the laws would not work like this.

The most amusing thing is the event that fires after you become the king of Ireland actually pushes you to get Tanistry. I assumed it was a part of Tutorial! And then I find out it actually screwed me over!

That's how it works now sadly. Changing succession of the top title does not change the succession of lower titles. And yes it's a nightmare if you run a empire.

 

[nightcarc]

Unfortunately I think it is working as designed. There is no option to change the succession laws for the entire realm to Tanistry, so that pop-up is only changing the succession for the Kingdom of Ireland specifically. The problem with comparing it to CK2 is that they have split apart realm laws and title laws. It used to be that the laws of the highest de jure title would transfer (as applicable) to the lower-tier titles. The issue being that if you had multiple titles of the same tier, you would have to double-check to make sure that they were all using the proper succession laws. Now, you just have the realm laws, which applies to all titles in you realm, de jure or not. Changing the succession of your highest title will have no impact on succession for your lower titles. If you use Tanistry and select an heir other than your eldest son, then your eldest son is still getting all of your other primary titles, while your new heir just gets the Kingdom itself.

 

[Arneodin]

Its working as intended im pretty sure. Even if its tanist election for your main title every other title is still confederate partition. You can check under the green realm button to the right and then the succession tab to see what you will loose at any given time.

 

[PaperWolf]

Unfortunately I think it is working as designed.
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If you use Tanistry and select an heir other than your eldest son, then your eldest son is still getting all of your other primary titles, while your new heir just gets the Kingdom itself.

The tanist not receiving the capital county on succession is a known bug that they're planning on fixing, at least.

 

[nightcarc]

The tanist not receiving the capital county on succession is a known bug that they're planning on fixing, at least.

That's good to hear at least. Also, I notice that they don't specifically say that the tanist should inherit only the capital--that is just what the previous poster had used as an example--so I wonder if the intent is for the tanist to inherit more than just the county, such as the capital duchy. Would be nice, anyways, and make it a more attractive option than remaining partition.

 

[Serpens66]

I know this thread is old, but according to my tests in debug mode, this behaviour still exists exactly like this, so I think it is ok to post here?

In my tests I even assumed this is "working as intended", since changing the law on a higher title, does not change the law on lower titles. Makes sense to me.
BUT: When you have two highest titles, eg. Ireland and Alba (kingdom) and change both of it to tanist election, then for whatever strange reason the winner of the election gets all lower titles although the lower titles still have confederate partition.

So it works very different depending if you have 1 highest title, or more than 1.
To me it more sounds like the scenario with more than 1 highest title is the bug, because otherwise it would be simply too easy to choose whoever you like as successor and always keep everything.