Short summary of your issue CK3 - Gameplay - A lot of bugs with Granting and Revoking Titles
Game Version 1.0.3 (935c)
What OS are you playing on?
Windows
What platform are you using?
Steam
Do you have mods enabled? No
Have you tried verifying your game files (Steam only)?
Yes
How much "pain" is this causing you?
8
Please explain the issue you experienced in the most condensed way possible
I kind of just started playing with the Revoke/Grant Title window after weird stuff disallowed me from revoking a duchy from my vassal and discovered a couple of different bugs. I'm not 100% if all of these are bugs or if some of the mechanics were intended but let's begin:
Please explain how to reproduce the issue
Bug 1) Let's start from the bottom - the baronies. When granting a county the game automatically grants every underlying barony with it but you can't grant the barony itself. The same goes for revoking the titles, it automatically revokes all the baronies and you can't revoke the baronies independently. And I'm talking about secondary baronies in the county, not the primary holding/realm capital ones. I'm not sure 100% if that's intended or not, in ck2 you could just grant/revoke individual baronies. (Screenshot 1 -> Barony grayed out when revoking & Screenshot 2 -> Saluzzo is secondary barony).
Bug 2) This is where the fun begins. When you revoke a county with a barony in it, you can't deselect the barony, the button is just grayed out. BUT when you grant the county, both the county and the barony are highlighted, but the barony isn't actually selected (Screenshot 3 -> you can see that the barony is highlighted together with the county but the tool-tip says "Select the barony..." instead of deselect). And yes, I'm aware of the ability to ctrl+LPM to select everything under a specific title, but if it is intended to give out baronies together with the county, why aren't the baronies automatically selected and only highlighted?
So what's the problem you ask?
Bug 3) Well, if you're Cathar like my king, you actually lose stress when you give titles away thanks to Gnosticism tenet (Screenshot 4). My stress is 111/300 (Screenshot 5) so when I grant the county of Tivoli (automatically with the barony, can't do anything about it), I only lose 13 stress (Screenshot 6 -> stress dropped from 111 to 98). Now, when I actually select the barony with it (even though it was already highlighted as if selected) then the stress loss is doubled (Screenshot 7 -> 2x13 stress loss for both county and barony + Screenshot 8 -> stress dropped from 111 to 85). It could potentially lead to some serious problems for other mechanics.
Bug 4) Let's move up one tier higher - the counties. So as you know by now, when selecting a county, all baronies under it are automatically highlighted and revoked/granted but they are not actually selected. Now let's say I want to grant county of Tivoli again. This time I also select the barony because I want my double stress loss. Now, let's say I changed my mind and want to grant county of Arezzo instead. So I deselect the county of Tivoli and... everything is grayed out. Why? Because the barony under county of Tivoli is still selected, the game didn't deselect if together with Tivoli (Screenshot 9) which should obviously happen.
Bug 5) Now duchies and higher tiers. So normally when you ctrl+left click on a county it actually (de)selects the barony together with it, so that works as intended. But that's not the case with duchies and kingdoms. When I ctrl+click on Duchy of Latium it actually selects ALL of my titles under it including my realm capital holding which is county of Rome (Screenshot 10 & 11 -> The tool-tip says that I can't give my realm capital holding away, but because the county of Rome is my realm capital, it is always grayed out so I can't (de)select it manually, but it can still be selected with ctrl+LPM)
Bug 6) Another thing related to the previous one. When the game selects my realm capital when clicking ctrl+LPM, I can't deselect it (screenshot 12 -> Tool-tip says that ctrl+LPM deselects my choice, but I can't actually do it because everything is grayed out and that's because my realm capital is selected)
Bug 7) When revoking a duchy title from a duke/duchess that also holds lower tier titles such as counties, the game blocks me from doing it. Why? Because the game thinks she will be left with titles but no lands (Screenshot 13 -> Just like in ck2 when you try to take away the last county from a duke). The bug is present when the duke/duchess has holdings/vassals only in his/her de jure duchy (In my example it's the duchess of Piedmonte - she holds county of Cuneo and her vassals are also de jure in that particular duchy, nothing else). As far as I know it has already been reported but there's more...
Bug 8) So the workaround to this problem is to grant the duchess a vassal that's not a part of her de jure duchy and you can finally revoke the duchy title (Shout-out to luxeritib for bringing it up!). But now another problem comes out and that's when you revoke the duchy, you also take every single title that's under it. So in my example, when I revoke duchy of Piedmonte, I also have to revoke county of Cuneo and barony of Saluzzo, I can't deselect the county. And when I try to deselect county of Cuneo, it deselects the duchy of Piedmonte instead. (Screenshot 14 -> Granting vassal & Screenshot 15 -> After vassal grant I can revoke the title).
Not sure if all of the mentioned bugs also happen with Kingdoms and Empires but it's probably worth checking out.
Bug 9) Stress related - Gnosticism tenet says that giving out titles reduces proportional amount of stress. Isn't it weird that when you select a county and barony, they both reduce the stress by 13? Shouldn't it be lower for barony/higher for county? The same goes for duchies and kingdoms, when I want to grant Kingdom of Romagna together with all the titles under it, every single title reduces the stress amount of 104 (screenshot 16) so every single title literally copies the amount from the highest tier. But when I select only the Duchy of Latium with titles under it, they only reduce stress by 26.
Is there anything else you think could help us identify/replicate the issue?
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Game Version 1.0.3 (935c)
What OS are you playing on?
Windows
What platform are you using?
Steam
Do you have mods enabled? No
Have you tried verifying your game files (Steam only)?
Yes
How much "pain" is this causing you?
8
Please explain the issue you experienced in the most condensed way possible
I kind of just started playing with the Revoke/Grant Title window after weird stuff disallowed me from revoking a duchy from my vassal and discovered a couple of different bugs. I'm not 100% if all of these are bugs or if some of the mechanics were intended but let's begin:
Please explain how to reproduce the issue
Bug 1) Let's start from the bottom - the baronies. When granting a county the game automatically grants every underlying barony with it but you can't grant the barony itself. The same goes for revoking the titles, it automatically revokes all the baronies and you can't revoke the baronies independently. And I'm talking about secondary baronies in the county, not the primary holding/realm capital ones. I'm not sure 100% if that's intended or not, in ck2 you could just grant/revoke individual baronies. (Screenshot 1 -> Barony grayed out when revoking & Screenshot 2 -> Saluzzo is secondary barony).
Bug 2) This is where the fun begins. When you revoke a county with a barony in it, you can't deselect the barony, the button is just grayed out. BUT when you grant the county, both the county and the barony are highlighted, but the barony isn't actually selected (Screenshot 3 -> you can see that the barony is highlighted together with the county but the tool-tip says "Select the barony..." instead of deselect). And yes, I'm aware of the ability to ctrl+LPM to select everything under a specific title, but if it is intended to give out baronies together with the county, why aren't the baronies automatically selected and only highlighted?
So what's the problem you ask?
Bug 3) Well, if you're Cathar like my king, you actually lose stress when you give titles away thanks to Gnosticism tenet (Screenshot 4). My stress is 111/300 (Screenshot 5) so when I grant the county of Tivoli (automatically with the barony, can't do anything about it), I only lose 13 stress (Screenshot 6 -> stress dropped from 111 to 98). Now, when I actually select the barony with it (even though it was already highlighted as if selected) then the stress loss is doubled (Screenshot 7 -> 2x13 stress loss for both county and barony + Screenshot 8 -> stress dropped from 111 to 85). It could potentially lead to some serious problems for other mechanics.
Bug 4) Let's move up one tier higher - the counties. So as you know by now, when selecting a county, all baronies under it are automatically highlighted and revoked/granted but they are not actually selected. Now let's say I want to grant county of Tivoli again. This time I also select the barony because I want my double stress loss. Now, let's say I changed my mind and want to grant county of Arezzo instead. So I deselect the county of Tivoli and... everything is grayed out. Why? Because the barony under county of Tivoli is still selected, the game didn't deselect if together with Tivoli (Screenshot 9) which should obviously happen.
Bug 5) Now duchies and higher tiers. So normally when you ctrl+left click on a county it actually (de)selects the barony together with it, so that works as intended. But that's not the case with duchies and kingdoms. When I ctrl+click on Duchy of Latium it actually selects ALL of my titles under it including my realm capital holding which is county of Rome (Screenshot 10 & 11 -> The tool-tip says that I can't give my realm capital holding away, but because the county of Rome is my realm capital, it is always grayed out so I can't (de)select it manually, but it can still be selected with ctrl+LPM)
Bug 6) Another thing related to the previous one. When the game selects my realm capital when clicking ctrl+LPM, I can't deselect it (screenshot 12 -> Tool-tip says that ctrl+LPM deselects my choice, but I can't actually do it because everything is grayed out and that's because my realm capital is selected)
Bug 7) When revoking a duchy title from a duke/duchess that also holds lower tier titles such as counties, the game blocks me from doing it. Why? Because the game thinks she will be left with titles but no lands (Screenshot 13 -> Just like in ck2 when you try to take away the last county from a duke). The bug is present when the duke/duchess has holdings/vassals only in his/her de jure duchy (In my example it's the duchess of Piedmonte - she holds county of Cuneo and her vassals are also de jure in that particular duchy, nothing else). As far as I know it has already been reported but there's more...
Bug 8) So the workaround to this problem is to grant the duchess a vassal that's not a part of her de jure duchy and you can finally revoke the duchy title (Shout-out to luxeritib for bringing it up!). But now another problem comes out and that's when you revoke the duchy, you also take every single title that's under it. So in my example, when I revoke duchy of Piedmonte, I also have to revoke county of Cuneo and barony of Saluzzo, I can't deselect the county. And when I try to deselect county of Cuneo, it deselects the duchy of Piedmonte instead. (Screenshot 14 -> Granting vassal & Screenshot 15 -> After vassal grant I can revoke the title).
Not sure if all of the mentioned bugs also happen with Kingdoms and Empires but it's probably worth checking out.
Bug 9) Stress related - Gnosticism tenet says that giving out titles reduces proportional amount of stress. Isn't it weird that when you select a county and barony, they both reduce the stress by 13? Shouldn't it be lower for barony/higher for county? The same goes for duchies and kingdoms, when I want to grant Kingdom of Romagna together with all the titles under it, every single title reduces the stress amount of 104 (screenshot 16) so every single title literally copies the amount from the highest tier. But when I select only the Duchy of Latium with titles under it, they only reduce stress by 26.
Is there anything else you think could help us identify/replicate the issue?
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