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Joining holy wars on attacker side knocks defender's tribal vassals out of the war
Game Version
2.8.2.1 SAHQ
What expansions do you have installed?
Monks & Mystics,
The Reapers Due,
Conclave,
Horse Lords,
Way of Life,
Charlemagne,
Sons of Abraham,
The Old Gods,
The Republic,
Legacy of Rome,
Sword of Islam
Do you have mods enabled?
No
Please explain your issue is in as much detail as possible.
Check the screenshots.
I'm a patrician (Venice - not doge) christian ruler.
There are 3 christian rulers who have 3 holy wars for different titles against the same target (Sweden as a germanic tribal).
All of the tribal vassals of the defender are participants of each war.
I offer to join each of the attacker's wars in sequence (in span of an in-game month):
I join the 1st war - everything goes well.
I join the 2nd war and all the tribal vassals are knocked out of the 1st war. The popup says:
[Tribal vassal's name] is no longer a participant in [1st Holy war's name] as his liege [My name] joined [the 2nd Holy war's name] as Attacker.
6 tribal vassals - 6 similar popups. They are no longer shown on the war screen on defender's side.
Notice that the popup message implies that I'm the liege of defender's vassals, which is obviously not true. Italian noble is not an overlord of vikings, no.
I join the 3rd war and all the tribal vassals are knocked out of the 2nd war.
Again the same thing.
In the end, they are all participating only in the last war I joined, and the first two wars are free of them.
The defending ruler will eventually call his vassals to join the wars again, and they are regardless attached to his army. So it isn't a gamebreaking bug. But
1) it can be exploited to gain at least a temporary upper hand. It shows you can intentionally knock participants on the opposite side out of the war by merely joining
2) the popup is misleading, because I'm not the liege of people getting kicked out
[name] is no longer a participant in [the war] as his liege [My name] joined [the war] as Attacker.
Steps to reproduce the issue.
Have a viking Sweden.
Make kings, earls, princebishops or possibly any christian ruler attack them with a holy war for a title.
Have at least two such wars.
Wait for the swedish king to call his tribal vassals into both wars.
Take a christian ruler who is not involved and with option Offer to join war join the 1st and 2nd holy war.
Upon joining the 2nd war you will observe that all the tribal vassals of the 1st war were removed. There will only be the king of Sweden participating in it alone.
And you will get the above mentioned popup message.
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Joining holy wars on attacker side knocks defender's tribal vassals out of the war
Game Version
2.8.2.1 SAHQ
What expansions do you have installed?
Monks & Mystics,
The Reapers Due,
Conclave,
Horse Lords,
Way of Life,
Charlemagne,
Sons of Abraham,
The Old Gods,
The Republic,
Legacy of Rome,
Sword of Islam
Do you have mods enabled?
No
Please explain your issue is in as much detail as possible.
Check the screenshots.
I'm a patrician (Venice - not doge) christian ruler.
There are 3 christian rulers who have 3 holy wars for different titles against the same target (Sweden as a germanic tribal).
All of the tribal vassals of the defender are participants of each war.
I offer to join each of the attacker's wars in sequence (in span of an in-game month):
I join the 1st war - everything goes well.
I join the 2nd war and all the tribal vassals are knocked out of the 1st war. The popup says:
[Tribal vassal's name] is no longer a participant in [1st Holy war's name] as his liege [My name] joined [the 2nd Holy war's name] as Attacker.
6 tribal vassals - 6 similar popups. They are no longer shown on the war screen on defender's side.
Notice that the popup message implies that I'm the liege of defender's vassals, which is obviously not true. Italian noble is not an overlord of vikings, no.
I join the 3rd war and all the tribal vassals are knocked out of the 2nd war.
Again the same thing.
In the end, they are all participating only in the last war I joined, and the first two wars are free of them.
The defending ruler will eventually call his vassals to join the wars again, and they are regardless attached to his army. So it isn't a gamebreaking bug. But
1) it can be exploited to gain at least a temporary upper hand. It shows you can intentionally knock participants on the opposite side out of the war by merely joining
2) the popup is misleading, because I'm not the liege of people getting kicked out
[name] is no longer a participant in [the war] as his liege [My name] joined [the war] as Attacker.
Steps to reproduce the issue.
Have a viking Sweden.
Make kings, earls, princebishops or possibly any christian ruler attack them with a holy war for a title.
Have at least two such wars.
Wait for the swedish king to call his tribal vassals into both wars.
Take a christian ruler who is not involved and with option Offer to join war join the 1st and 2nd holy war.
Upon joining the 2nd war you will observe that all the tribal vassals of the 1st war were removed. There will only be the king of Sweden participating in it alone.
And you will get the above mentioned popup message.
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