CK - EU2 Converter: Veneto-Venezia suggestion

[sirbruce]

Right now the EU2 province of Veneto is mapped to three CK provinces. In CK I control Venezia... heck, I'm King of Venice... yet if I convert to EU2, I won't have control of Veneto because someone controls two neighboring provinces.

I realize that there are limitations to the design of the converter, so I'm not suggesting you can fix the fact that you have to map multiple provinces to one. But I think in the cases of some specific provinces, one province should outweigh the others. Since I don't think this could be coded easily, it seems to make most since if Venezia alone gets mapped to Veneto and the other provinces get mapped to something else. Other places where this might be appropriate as well are for Isle de France, Byzantium, and anywhere there should be a Kingdom capitol.

Bruce

 

[sirbruce]

CK - EU2 Converter - Capital Placement

It seems like when you convert from CK to EU2, the capital is moved to the first numerically controlled province, or perhaps a random one. It should instead either be placed in the province that includes the province of the old capital, or barring that, to the richest province, etc.

Bruce

 

[Swuul]

Right now the EU2 province of Veneto is mapped to three CK provinces. In CK I control Venezia... heck, I'm King of Venice... yet if I convert to EU2, I won't have control of Veneto because someone controls two neighboring provinces.

I realize that there are limitations to the design of the converter, so I'm not suggesting you can fix the fact that you have to map multiple provinces to one. But I think in the cases of some specific provinces, one province should outweigh the others. Since I don't think this could be coded easily, it seems to make most since if Venezia alone gets mapped to Veneto and the other provinces get mapped to something else. Other places where this might be appropriate as well are for Isle de France, Byzantium, and anywhere there should be a Kingdom capitol.

The EU2 map in 1419 is full of provinces where somebody else held in real life the capital, but the province is held by somebody else. Many of the German states were divided in many ways. So IMO there simply can't be one controlling area to decide to whom the province converts in EU2.

It seems like when you convert from CK to EU2, the capital is moved to the first numerically controlled province, or perhaps a random one. It should instead either be placed in the province that includes the province of the old capital, or barring that, to the richest province, etc.

The first number (province) in the provincelist for given powers in the CK savefile is their capital.

 

[sirbruce]

But the very capital of Veneto in EU2 is Venice, and there's no denying it is a rich province BECAUSE of Venice. In fact, in EU2, Venice would normally begin controlling the whole thing. When you think of EU2 in the abstract, controlled provinces are really about exerting control and power within that area. The underlying flaw is that the CK-EU2 conversion doesn't take into consideration the relative strength of the sub-provinces that get converted into one larger one. So the only way to resolve the issue is to make exceptions for some areas and map them to smaller CK provinces.

It's not like the other 2 provinces will mean nothing; they will simply be attached to another nearby area.

Bruce

 

[Swuul]

But the very capital of Veneto in EU2 is Venice, and there's no denying it is a rich province BECAUSE of Venice. In fact, in EU2, Venice would normally begin controlling the whole thing. When you think of EU2 in the abstract, controlled provinces are really about exerting control and power within that area. The underlying flaw is that the CK-EU2 conversion doesn't take into consideration the relative strength of the sub-provinces that get converted into one larger one. So the only way to resolve the issue is to make exceptions for some areas and map them to smaller CK provinces.

It's not like the other 2 provinces will mean nothing; they will simply be attached to another nearby area.

Bruce

Well, like mentioned, look at who controlled what cities in Germany in 1419, and who controlled the surrounding provinces. There are many places where one can have the same argument, still "vanilla" EU2 gives the provinces to somebody else.