Lurken said:
I don't really agree with that actually. People in middle ages respected the legitimacy of titles quite a lot and just snatching away titles by clicking "Usurp" isn't really in line with that...
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I don't really agree with that actually. People in middle ages respected the legitimacy of titles quite a lot and just snatching away titles by clicking "Usurp" isn't really in line with that...
Yes, but usurping is essentially saying with just cause the right of the previous ruler to have this title doesn't exist and i have a solid right to not only the claim, but the actual title, thereby the title shifts immediatly because a massive threshold has been reached that really gives the nobles no other choice but to recognizze this. However, the former title holder would certainly deserve a claim.Byakhiam said:
That would be outmost satisfactory...let us say the King of England lost all his power in England proper and only had Sicily as a powerbase, while in England a strong duke, like of Wessex, was the defacto king of England, if he choose to usurp the Crown of England, he should be recognized...and recieve the crown, but ofccurse, the former king of England would get a claim.Jinnai said:
I forogot to add one thing....Lurken said:
A usurp should require the actual claim, thus you haveto spend the prestige to gain the claim first. This would keep the "upstart" or the "unknown backwater noble" from rising to prominence quickly in a case where the nobility wouldn't really allow it.
In that case, the cost of grabbing a title should be proportional to your share of the title area - if you control 100% of it, the cost should essentially be the same as when creating the title.Jinnai said:
Yea...you would really have a better case to grab a title, if you have a strong presence in that area.The Phoenix said:
Regarding the disucussion between Bykhiam and The Phoenix (and Veld) about muslim kingdoms and titles: What if it is was possible for muslims to create titles, but that any title would be lost at the moment the ruler or his vassals no longer controlled any of the land there? That way, the King of Seljuk Turks could conquer Bohemia, make himself King of Bohemia, but at the moment all his provinces in Bohemia was lost, he would lose his titles there.
One possible problem with this (if it's doable) is that large-scale titles like King of Germany could vanish during periods of extreme realm duress, but perhaps they could be recreated through events...
One possible problem with this (if it's doable) is that large-scale titles like King of Germany could vanish during periods of extreme realm duress, but perhaps they could be recreated through events...
Destruction of "unsupported titles" has always been my preferred solution.Tufturk said:
If you lose the county of Västerbotten, you are no longer the count of Västerbotten. The same should really apply to duchy and kingdom titles as well.
It would be a logical and good improvement to the game, but sadly enough I don't think will see it in CK, it would require to much codingtime, which is as we all know, very, very limited.
What Veld said. Large changes into the game mechanics are very unlikely to happen anymore.
For what it's worth, I didn't actually expect it to ever be implemented in the current incarnation of CK (i.e. CK+ or CK2 material).Byakhiam said:
So we'll never be able to play as non-christian or female rulers ? Damn !
Anyway I have a question/request:
How about a series of event to simulate the nefarious influence of favorites (think of Edward II of England and his lovers - or the powerful mistresses of numerous french kings); their effect on the loyalty/disloyalty of courties and vassals; or on the treasury (gifts) or the ruler's abilities.
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Anyway I have a question/request:
How about a series of event to simulate the nefarious influence of favorites (think of Edward II of England and his lovers - or the powerful mistresses of numerous french kings); their effect on the loyalty/disloyalty of courties and vassals; or on the treasury (gifts) or the ruler's abilities.
G.
The most powerful ruler in Egypt should become the Muslim king of Egypt. Every religion has it's own king title, the AI's of all the four religions, Christian, Muslim, Pagan and Jewish can all have the same king title at the same time, as long as no-one else of the same religion has it. So if France and Germany carve up Egypt, but say six Muslim sheikdoms remain, then the strongest sheikdom, or an owner of one of Egypt's key points (like Cairo) becomes Muslim king of Egypt. The most high-ranking titles go first, if there are Emirs available, but not sheikdoms, then one of the Emirs will always become the new king.
The AI's should be taught to pledge alliegance to their religions version of the title of that region. The sheikdom who becomes king gains say 1000 prestiege to help him gaining the support of the others.
They would pledge just like the rulers at the moment, the rulers recognise the Muslim king of Egypt, just like the Christians would, when deciding who to pledge to. In this way Muslim kingdoms are no longer doomed as they are at present to eternally fragment into smaller units.
A nice idea Cliffracer, but that would require quite a bit of new coding and as such is CK2 idea. Atm we cannot have more than one king (and duke) title per province and since all religions use same tags, a muslim king of Egypt robs that title from christian avaibility.
What I miss in CK are weather effect like those in EU. Waging war in winter should be difficult, even more in a medievel society.
However, I fear this would be too much coding - unfortunately.
However, I fear this would be too much coding - unfortunately.
Well if i could get it to work, i'm trying to recreate the various muslim kingdoms that popped into existance over time. Getting them to be created is easy, getting them to conquer right away so they don't die is a bit harder. Getting them to even act somewhat historically is nearly impossible.
Right now, and i have yet to test this out, i am thinking of having and event fire to give these initial monarchs loads of prestige, some free troops, money to support them, and DoWing a neighbor, porbably worst neighbor.
However even this only goes so far.
Right now, and i have yet to test this out, i am thinking of having and event fire to give these initial monarchs loads of prestige, some free troops, money to support them, and DoWing a neighbor, porbably worst neighbor.
However even this only goes so far.
Jinnai said:
Have you checked Grell's Mod he also did that. I don't use this mod, so I don't know how succesfull he has been with it.