Civilizing?

[Faeelin]

It occurs to me that this era saw the transformation of the Gallic tribes from sword swinging barbarians to a people printing their own coins, developing urban centers, and adopting writing.

Will this occur in game at all?

 

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i would say using the whole "Westernization" method again, in this cause, Romanization.

Gallic tribes living next door to Rome learned from Romans in many different areas.

 

[Archaalen]

That learning was not one-way. The Romans got chainmail from the Gauls, and their open, flexible formations and sword armament mimic the Gauls as well. As for "civilizing", the La Tene culture of fortified towns (oppida) based around manufacture and trade in goods was well established in Gaul by gamestart, so I see no reason why the Gauls need to become civilized, as they were already fairly well civilized by the 200s BC.

 

[Faeelin]

The oppida weren't as large as they'd become, and they ewre not yet printing coins and using writing as extensively as they later would.

 

[TeutonicKnight]

The oppida weren't as large as they'd become, and they ewre not yet printing coins and using writing as extensively as they later would.

Back then culture was like a buffet, people chose which things and disregarded the rest. Rome would be considered the big Chinese buffet while other such as Gauls would be like the small take out restraunts. In otherwords Rome was the dominate culture, the others contributed on a much smaller scale.

 

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The oppida weren't as large as they'd become, and they ewre not yet printing coins and using writing as extensively as they later would.

Which is why technological advances happen?

 

[Strager]

This game takes place early enough that GAUL or BRITON or just about anyone else should be able to develop the same level of culture as Rome did IRL. The Romans could theoreticly be the barbarians to the civlized germanic peoples. At the start of this game, there was very little to differentaite the romans from any other nation, with the small execption of its more centralized government. I would expect (and demand, if paradox wants my money this time out the gate) that this would not only be possible, but have a good chance of happening from game to game (certainly better than the tiny chance of say Persia colonizing the new world in EU3)

 

[Faeelin]

Actually, by this point Rome was a major power, if not the power, in Italy; with a well established tradition of Republican government; the production of coins; literacy; and so forth.

 

[Divi]

Actually, by this point Rome was a major power, if not the power, in Italy; with a well established tradition of Republican government; the production of coins; literacy; and so forth.

Coinage - check, at least by the 2nd century, if not earlier
Literacy - limited, but there's little either way' then again, Carthage didn't leave that much stuff either.
Republican government - hints in some tribes, again, limited material.
THE Italian power - they're still in the middle of the Samnite wars. Major, okay.

 

[Tangent]

This game takes place early enough that GAUL or BRITON or just about anyone else should be able to develop the same level of culture as Rome did IRL. The Romans could theoreticly be the barbarians to the civlized germanic peoples. At the start of this game, there was very little to differentaite the romans from any other nation, with the small execption of its more centralized government. I would expect (and demand, if paradox wants my money this time out the gate) that this would not only be possible, but have a good chance of happening from game to game (certainly better than the tiny chance of say Persia colonizing the new world in EU3)

The problem with this theory is that it fails to take into account why Italy developed faster than Gaul, notably the heavy influence of advanced Hellenic culture and ideas on the peninsula.

The Romans and Etruscans and etc. may have been just as tribal and backwards as the Celts in the 5th C. but the Celts had no civilised neighbours to speed up their state development. Unless Italy or Illyria was overrun by Celts early on in the game your idea would not be plausible.

 

[shasla6]

This game takes place early enough that GAUL or BRITON or just about anyone else should be able to develop the same level of culture as Rome did IRL. The Romans could theoreticly be the barbarians to the civlized germanic peoples. At the start of this game, there was very little to differentaite the romans from any other nation, with the small execption of its more centralized government. I would expect (and demand, if paradox wants my money this time out the gate) that this would not only be possible, but have a good chance of happening from game to game (certainly better than the tiny chance of say Persia colonizing the new world in EU3)

Realism > political correctness. In my most humble opinion, of course.

 

[hildoceras]

This game takes place early enough that GAUL or BRITON or just about anyone else should be able to develop the same level of culture as Rome did IRL. The Romans could theoreticly be the barbarians to the civlized germanic peoples. At the start of this game, there was very little to differentaite the romans from any other nation, with the small execption of its more centralized government. I would expect (and demand, if paradox wants my money this time out the gate) that this would not only be possible, but have a good chance of happening from game to game (certainly better than the tiny chance of say Persia colonizing the new world in EU3)

"How could you rule a country where there exists more than 300 sorts of cheeses" de Gaulle said There is the main problem of the unification of the different tribes in some sort of Gaul or German nation. It only existed very ponctually and never lasted (Ambigatos and the Bituriges in 600BC?, Vercingetorix and the Arverni in 52BC for examples)

 

[Harve]

That learning was not one-way. The Romans got chainmail from the Gauls, and their open, flexible formations and sword armament mimic the Gauls as well. As for "civilizing", the La Tene culture of fortified towns (oppida) based around manufacture and trade in goods was well established in Gaul by gamestart, so I see no reason why the Gauls need to become civilized, as they were already fairly well civilized by the 200s BC.

Well that is kinda like Neighbour Bonus in EU3 i think

 

[Divi]

"How could you rule a country where there exists more than 300 sorts of cheeses" de Gaulle said There is the main problem of the unification of the different tribes in some sort of Gaul or German nation. It only existed very ponctually and never lasted (Ambigatos and the Bituriges in 600BC?, Vercingetorix and the Arverni in 52BC for examples)

Well, yes, but the Italic tribes were not exactly united willingly (along with Magna Graecia, the Etruscans, the Ligurians, etc.).

And archeology =/ political correctness