Civil War

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I have two questions regarding civil war mechanics

a)Why can t i fabricate claim/declare civil war(trough factions) against my liege ,if he is at war?I mean ,there is no backstabing possible because of this limitation,and backstabbing was very common...and still is.

b)Why can t i call one of my allies to war against my liege?I mean if i m a vassal of the king of England,rebell against him for let s say,usurping his throne ,and France is my ally.Why can t i call France to help me?Again the interference of other countries in internal buisnesses of others was/is extremley common.

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

I do not play as a vassal, so cannot help.

Not sure anyone can answer? Would need to see the situation, the most common cause for not being able to call an ally is the 5 year rule. Before you go to war, look at your allies, the ones in red will not help, the ones in green might help. Just might help is all, there could be several reasons why they will not help, no gain for them, why should they help you steal land when they gain nothing? Maybe they are planing a war, maybe they are at war, maybe they just do not like you enough. The only time you can count on your allies for sure is holy wars, all other times you are most often on your own. From my games, France will only help you if you are fighting Muslims. Never once got them to help me against a fellow Catholic. *shurg*

 

[yezhanquan]

1) It's very likely that your faction lacks power. You need to do some persuading (with gold or your spymaster) to get fellows to join your faction.

2) It's not that simple, IMO. Why should they help a vassal like you when they could be on good terms with the king? For alliances, if your ally likes your enemy more than you, most bets are off.

 

[Lorehead]

I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Declaring independence while infidels are attacking costs piety, and other vassals become friendlier while the war goes on; is that what you mean?

 

[Djieh]

Already tried to answer in some other thread, here is my quick take on this:

a) I was able to declare war for independence while my liege was at war. Also thought in your case it might be because of a lack of piety if the liege defends against infidels. Also could be because liege and vassal are allies in another war (though that would have to be a crusade, then). Is there a tool tip telling you why you cant declare war?

b) When revolting, your technically still a vassal; you can't call foreign power to assist you. Imagine France declares war on England while you are revolting; that would make you hostile towards France. Now calling them to help you would make them both hostiles and allies ...