All that stuff likely can be modded, so not really sure what you are talking about. It isn't just assets that can be modded. I feel like some of you misunderstand what this game being a base actually means and improvements will constantly be made.
Cities: Skylines is not a great game and not a city simulator
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All that stuff likely can be modded, so not really sure what you are talking about. It isn't just assets that can be modded. I feel like some of you misunderstand what this game being a base actually means and improvements will constantly be made.
I don't know how good the game will be tomorrow, neither do you. What I know is that, right now, there's a lot of issues to be worked on.
About people already being working on it... I haven't yet heard anything from CO about the "workers" issue (besides some briefly explanation about how things are working right now), or the commercial demand bug. Have you? It would be cool that such basic bugs/mechanics would be sorted out by the dev team, so the code can be maintained as solid as possible.
So, OP is entirely right about his remarks and he has the right to make them. If you like the way things are or the way thing's gonna be, that's cool. Not a problem with me. My issues are with the fact that some people here have a hard time to accept that others can think different.
I don't give a crap how someone thinks. I do give a crap when someone makes false claims about how a game isn't good. I don't see how you don't see the difference between opinions and claims.
A game being good is subjective. What he likes doesn't mean everyone else is going to agree. What he thinks is bad doesn't mean everyone else is going to agree.
If I think a game sucks, doesn't mean the game actually sucks. I never, ever go to a game forum and tell people the game sucks because i know for a fact it doesn't to some people and it makes no sense for me to complain.
Now if I like the game and want to see it improve, I criticize it, ... that is reasonable. But to bash a game simply to bash a game and complain about how bad it is, isn't freaking reasonable. It's silly. so no .. the OP isn't entirely right. His complaints, his criticism is right. His over all view of the game is personal opinion and he should just leave because no one gives a damn how much he thinks the game isn't great or how much the game isn't a "city simulator".
If you want to criticism the game constructively .. say what you don't like .. with out all the snarky crap.
Well, you know, I think you're wrong. I think you don't have the right to decide what can be said here, who says it, and the way its said. And yes, in my opinion, OP has the right to complain like he did. He doesn't have to write a poem to make it softer.
I'm not gonna keep going with this, it's off topic.
So, because I don't like elder scrolls online, I have a right to go on the forum simply to tell people why I don't like it and why I think it isn't an mmorpg? Yes ... but should I?
Exactly what purpose does it serve other than to get a reaction out of people?
However, I agree, I don't have a right to decide what they can and can't say. I can have an opinion about it though.
You certainly show that.
They are not exclusive, I don't see Your point here. He's doing both, and both have a right to be here.
If I think a game sucks, doesn't mean the game actually sucks. I never, ever go to a game forum and tell people the game sucks because i know for a fact it doesn't to some people and it makes no sense for me to complain.[/quote]
He said the game is at best mediocre. Not that it sucks. He have a right to have his own opinion, he put it in civilized manner. Why do You thing forum isn't a place for opinions as well? It's not encyclopedia.
He does not bash this game, and certainly not "simply to bash a game". He is providing arguments. If You can counter them, do it. But respect the fact that some people have different opinion than You, and that they are speaking their minds.
Thats exactly what OP did.
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If I want ESO to get better, then You should. If You want just to complain, then hell no. And it serves the purpose to make thi god damned game better. What purpose do You think constructive criticism serve?
Dude, what part you don't understand that you can't not fix these kind of things with mods? You can "cheat" the rules given by the devs of the game with mods thats all. And it ís very tedious to wait for mods to be updated after patches, migrating to other mods if the ones you like get abandoned et. Mods are there for adding superficial content and flavour, not to modify core aspects of yhe game
So saying a game isn't great and isn't a city simulator is constructive criticism to you? I agree the things he pointed out are constructive criticism but his main purpose to his entire post to me isn't constructive. It's simply a complaint to be a complaint. If he meant it to be constructive criticism why didn't he post a thread like everyone else has ... you know .. that doesn't say the game isn't great or the game isn't a city simulation?
To me .. it makes absolutely no sense.
To me that isn't constructive criticism. That to me is trying to incite flame. Claiming the game is mediocre at best, and saying all the praise by others and review scores are undeserved .. meaning he is undermining other people opinions of the game. Then claiming other will see it in a few days.
Yet you are talking about me?
But oh ya .. sounds like he really loves the game and wants to see it improve.
Edit: Anyway, I am done with this.
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There are a lot of comparisons between this and SimCity 4 as is to be expected. I want to sum up my thoughts as such: Is it better than base SimCity 4 at that game's release? Yes. Is it better than Modded SimCity 4 as it is now, 12 years later? No. Does this game have every possibility to become better than SimCity 4 ever has been? Of course.
The game hasn't been out a week and there are already over 10,000 mods. Let that sink in for a minute. There are already several mods that have modified core gameplay mechanics. CO gave us a beauty of a base game engine for everyone to tweak to their liking and then a mod api that allows us to go very deep (the fact that our mod code runs in the game process and can override base classes is huge).
This game is epic and is going to go down in history as an epic success. The naysayers are on the wrong side of history here.
The OP most definitely wasn't trying to write constructive criticisms. Heck, he even started with an apology "I am sorry for what I am about to say...", cause he knew he was gonna push buttons.
just expressing his feelings, thats all. Not that I agree with any point he made.
Only time can truly judge how this game will ultimately be judged as either good or bad and even then people won't agree 100%. It seems to appeal to the casual builder while the hard core simulator crowd want a bigger challenge and less crutches. My personal opinion is the game has great foundation and is not bad for a lite/easy mode city simulator as it is now. Assuming that CO continues on working and improving it, (which they'd be absolutely insane not to do) I believe that this game will eventually replace the current heavily modded SC. Without Rush Hour, NAM, a billzillion dependencies the vanilla SC had its own fair share of problems. I am surprised how many people seem to forget that and want to compare C:S to games that have had a much longer production cycle.
Yes, the OP was just flamebait. It's a shame how many took the bait.
It shouldn't be surprising that 1.0 was about providing an averaged out/smooth experience across the board. Technically solid, with mod capabilities + very exciting feature of water physics, while providing an easy way for new players to hop in. Because the previous king of the genre couldn't do these. You were barely able to play the game even two months from release. Compared to that this launch has been pure bliss.
There are always compromises. But this game is a marvellous combination of them.
Buying a Paradox game is hopping on to a moving train. You're in for an exciting ride. Feel free to despawn at the map edge, but I bet you'll find that hard. Because in the end we got more than anyone dared to hope for.
There are always compromises. But this game is a marvellous combination of them.
Buying a Paradox game is hopping on to a moving train. You're in for an exciting ride. Feel free to despawn at the map edge, but I bet you'll find that hard. Because in the end we got more than anyone dared to hope for.
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I'm always very suspicious with threads like these when the OP doesn't respond in his own thread.
That being said.. comparing SC 4 to cities sky lines is pretty unfair. Since the former has had years and years of mod support. Imo this game is not a bad game, at all. For a 1.0 version, the release was pretty solid with almost no (if any) game breaking bugs. The information being released before game launched was pretty transparent too. CO delivered what they promised and I haven't caught them on a single lie. The same can't be said for maxis/EA and Focus home interactive.
Not bad for a game developer with only 13 employees wouldn't you say so?
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I am a long time player of SC4 since the first year 2003. Those who remember the days before the slow to release mods came out know about the no job zots that plagued our cities with the retarded pathfinding. It's actually amazing that Sim City survived those times. Mods that really made a difference didn't come out in a week or even a month. From that perspective I can tell a good base game when I see one. Not only do we have a good base game but open modding from day one. So from the years I experienced SC4 I can tell this game will evolve into something great as long as creative minds continue to nurture it. City builders are not for everyone. Especially those who would compare a city builder to anything else in another genre. One of the best traits of city builders is patience and seeing the game more as a creative outlet.
Every other city builder that came about since 2003 did not yield themselves to the creativity of the city builder audience....this game is at least making that genuine effort. That's the difference and why I bought this title.
Every other city builder that came about since 2003 did not yield themselves to the creativity of the city builder audience....this game is at least making that genuine effort. That's the difference and why I bought this title.
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