Cities: Skylines is not a great game and not a city simulator

[IIWW]

What a ridiculous thread. Modders have already fixed some of these issues. Just wait till Paradox tackles some of them aswell.

And yeah, this has been said a million times already, but SC4 out of the gate was vastly inferior to Skylines.

I have played many good games from small teams as well. This is one of them. You disagree. What is your point? You act like your opinion is above all or something lol. Just because you don't think it's good, doesn't mean it's not good.

Someone dare to have different opinion, burn the witch!
Seriously, whats Your point? You're not even arguing with the points raised, You're basically saying that noone has a right to complain.
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As for the "small team": this, even if it was an excuse at first place, is not valid due to it's huge success. OP (and me) says that it's not that great.

 

[rikmarkes]

If you think the game came to short... good for you. I don't think it was ever suppose to meet that mark. It was more of a base like they have said many times. something to work on top of. But many of you don't seem to understand that.

I guess you haven't read all I wrote.

 

[YoDaddy]

Vanilla Cities: Skylines is not as good as a heavily modified and updated Sim City 4! - dumbest argument ever

Paradox funds developers to keep adding and expanding. I suggest all of you try this devs earlier work, Cities in Motion. GREAT transportation simulator. Then when you come back this game will be updated to expand the simulation.

 

[Brabbit1987]

Someone dare to have different opinion, burn the witch!
Seriously, whats Your point? You're not even arguing with the points raised, You're basically saying that noone has a right to complain.
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As for the "small team": this, even if it was an excuse at first place, is not valid due to it's huge success. OP (and me) says that it's not that great.

Oh ... no. Everyone has the right to complain. That doesn't mean I can't comment on what they are complaining about. You can have a vastly different opinion than mine, I don't care at all, but I am still going to state my opinion as well and tell you what I think about your opinion.

I am not saying burn the witch lol. However, can you explain to me the point of complaining in a non constructive manner? We all have criticism on the game, but not all of us are doom and gloom, and I think that is what makes the big difference.

 

[atomicsoda]

I like the game but there is definately a lot that could be improved. I miss the three classes of residential, commercial and industrial with seperate tax and demand from SC4. It is nice to have fancy areas, middle areas and working class areas that look different. All the residential areas look the same. I also think money is way too easy, too easy to have tohave all services everywhere. Need to increase costs for education etc. It would be good to have more options for commercial like making an entertainment district and having hotels etc. and more for tourism. Overall the game is good and works. SC2014 had some more interesting features but that game is broken and super bugged, this game works but is a bit bland for now.

 

[rikmarkes]

Vanilla Cities: Skylines is not as good as a heavily modified and updated Sim City 4! - dumbest argument ever

When CO started to develop CSL, SC4 was already top modded. All the features people like were already there, which is kind of hard to understand why they didn't try to steal most of the ideas from there. But this is my opinion, if you want to consider it dumb, be my guess. Would be great to see some good arguments from your side, though.

 

[Brabbit1987]

I guess you haven't read all I wrote.

I did, and don't think I missed anything. Though I apologize if I did.

When CO started to develop CSL, SC4 was already top modded. All the features people like were already there, which is kind of hard to understand why they didn't try to steal most of the ideas from there. But this is my opinion, if you want to consider it dumb, be my guess. Would be great to see some good arguments from your side, though.

You really have no concept of how game development works do you?

A game developer can't just add in everything you think makes another game good rofl. Also . .it's there own game. Did you want this game to be a copy .. or did you want a new city builder? Many of the things you want will also be modded in this game.

 

[rikmarkes]

You really have no concept of how game development works do you?

No, please explain it to me.

 

[Epicity]

Ridiculous statement OP. You don't now what you're expecting and you're just complaining about trivial things just spouting nonsense and hate with child like words.

Graphics, disasters, policies and teraforming WERE never part of a city building experience. Now I don't remember details about SC4 but those graphics weren't great, and I can't remember policies even existing in that game or playing a large part.

Not to mention that graphics look great. Disasters and teraforming can be added so easily and that policies exist.

Also you talk about city simulation well real life doesn't have district education (not where I live), you can go into other suburbs and go to their school but guess what? Even with that in mind, there probably will be an option in the future to do it, I've seen requests to CO.

Yes the game has issues but CO straight out said from the beginning that they wanted a core game that you can play and add stuff in later on.

 

[Epicity]

No, please explain it to me.

Plan, Develop, Test for a a lot of the little things that build up to the big game.

I'm not sure how the devs are supposed to live up to SC4 + mods, I mean how many modders contributed to that game and how many hours were done?

Would you rather the game came out now as it did with future patches OR it comes out next year with disasters, teraforming, tunnels?

 

[rikmarkes]

I'm not sure how the devs are supposed to live up to SC4 + mods, I mean how many modders contributed to that game and how many hours were done?

I'm talking about the general ideas, the ones you chose in the plan phase.

For instance, social classes, rich people, medium class, poor people. You know, the usual stuff in a... city. There's nothing of that in this game and I can't understand such decision and I don't if anyone will be able to do it without breaking the game.

 

[IIWW]

Oh ... no. Everyone has the right to complain. That doesn't mean I can't comment on what they are complaining about. You can have a vastly different opinion than mine, I don't care at all, but I am still going to state my opinion as well and tell you what I think about your opinion.

I am not saying burn the witch lol. However, can you explain to me the point of complaining in a non constructive manner? We all have criticism on the game, but not all of us are doom and gloom, and I think that is what makes the big difference.

You literaly said: "Just because you don't think it's good, doesn't mean it's not good.".
lBut OP's says exactly why he thinks this game is not good. He is being constructive, You are not, and You're straight off ignoring constructive discussion. Same for copper1212, he's saying "what a ridiculous thread", just because he do not agree.

 

[Brabbit1987]

No, please explain it to me.

Ok first of all, taking every idea from a game that is already out doesn't make much sense. You either want to play Simcity 4 or you don't. If you want to play simcity 4, then go play simcity 4. These are 2 different games.

Also, a small team has to prioritize what features get in based on their time frame. Which features are most important toward the game they want. What features can be put in later down the road. What features can be modded in by others. A team can't do everything and thus you have to prioritize, otherwise you get a big mess of a game that no one wants.

You have to realize time is a major factor. It's a business.

Why didn't Bethesda look toward the mods the community created for Oblivion and implement them into Skyrim? The reason is because, that isn't them. They make the game they want to make. The base and the modding tools. Those who want specific features, they leave that up to the modding community. Why should they go out of there way to try and please every single individual? Isn't easier to just create the base and then add onto it from there and let others as well?

Keeping in mind, development would be very different when it comes to games without modding capabilities, because then you will be trying to add in more features. Which requires a bigger team and a more time. This does mean though once the game is released, if you don't like it, than that is it. There are no mods, and there is no community to add the things that you want.

Yes or no. Is Cities Skylines. . not a good base? Personally I think it's far beyond a good base to add onto, and I don't see how anyone could think other wise.

 

[rikmarkes]

Yes or no. Is Cities Skylines. . not a good base? Personally I think it's far beyond a good base to add onto, and I don't see how anyone could think other wise.

Yes, it is. I've said that some posts ago.

 

[Brabbit1987]

You literaly said: "Just because you don't think it's good, doesn't mean it's not good.".
lBut OP's says exactly why he thinks this game is not good. He is being constructive, You are not, and You're straight off ignoring constructive discussion. Same for copper1212, he's saying "what a ridiculous thread", just because he do not agree.

Everything the OP has mentioned has already been mentioned in a manner constructive manner on these forums without being over dramatic about it and saying the game isn't a city simulator.

He can tell us why he thinks the game isn't good, but that doesn't mean the game isn't good. It simply means HE doesn't like the game, and HE should just leave like a normal person would do when they don't like a game.

If you want to be constructive then don't go posting stupid threads telling others how bad you think a game is. Instead tell us the problems and tell us how you think they can be improved, and that is all you have to do. There is no need to diss the game. That isn't constructive and it's childish. All it's doing is nothing but complaining.

In fact, I agree with many of the points the OP made. I don't agree with his over all view on the game though. His overall view isn't constructive, it's silly.

 

[Brabbit1987]

Yes, it is. I've said that some posts ago.

And that was their goal. So what is there to complain about?

 

[rikmarkes]

So what is there to complain about?

Almost everything the OP wrote and more.

 

[Brabbit1987]

Almost everything the OP wrote and more.

*Facepalms* That stuff is being worked on .. right? There are modders and developers currently working on it ... right?
Everyone already has mentioned these problems and we all agree they can be improved on right? These things don't make the game bad ... right?

I am not disagreeing that this game can use some work. What I am disagreeing with is the notion that this game isn't 'good' or that they some how didn't deliver a game worth the price. also saying it isn't a city builder is being over dramatic.

So to me it sounds like we agree. Unless you disagree with anything I said here?

 

[TimFisher]

IRL, have you ever heard of a park that was not accessible by road? I mean police cannot go there, firefighters cannot go there and garbage piles up because no park workers can get there to remove it?

Uh yeah, me neither.

 

[dnlnn]

OP ís completely rigth. I get the defensive point of view that SC4 went trought a long journey for mote than 10 years to become what ís it today and we should give this game more time but his major complain ís not the lack of key features but the general design of the game.

It's a casual game with no depth whatsoever, even if modders add 238384 new hospitals and clinics the simulation of health, average death age etc will still be crap.
The same thing applies with polution, traffic, education... The simulation ís just not there, it's a build your fancy city and don't worry for anything.

And I have not even started mentioning all the features that are missing, monorails, canals, beaches, night-day cycle, more densityclasses, buildings with non regular shapes .......