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now; a really interesting option; the church... think abut it; it will be a really interesting issue; you can get some of you parents "become" cardinals; wich can be very helpful; the church will be one of the major powers; think about it; the brother of the king; is a cardinal; then, the pope dies... now; your brother becomes pope!!!!
yeah!!! it could be possible right? having a relative as pope would be a great victory; but maybe it would get assasinated;

also; remember; for becoming pope; you need to be cardinal; and be elected as pope; so there is a thing; i assome that the church will give cardinals due to the population of the country; son conquer land; and being able to have more "votes" in the vatican would be a must; maybe you had a bad time; and a cardinal in your land is friend with the enemy...

also; yo can influence over the elected pope; right? and also the enemys; so maybe you could want a pope in a family who has a high "sympaty for you; but then; is elected a pope who hates you; and loves your rival.... OH, oh....

wouldn't be cool? also; the vatican elects cardinals; so when a cardinal dies/becomes pope you may pray for the cardinal you get is a nice one; or maybe you get a relative as a cardinal; (assuming that you have a religious parent) maybe you culd use your influence for having a cardinal loyal!!!!

yeah; i will love this game!!!

 

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church!

also; the pope could "make" saints; so your piety boost, (well; maybe you will need a lot of influence in rome; and also a "eminent" ancestor

i'm sure that rome will play a huge role in this game

 

[Drakken]

Re: church!

Originally posted by Blackmamuth
also; the pope could "make" saints; so your piety boost, (well; maybe you will need a lot of influence in rome; and also a "eminent" ancestor

i'm sure that rome will play a huge role in this game

Rome hadn't the Pope for a quite long time during the Middle Ages. Surely you mean Avignon...

Drakken

 

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now; a really interesting option; the church... think abut it; it will be a really interesting issue; you can get some of you parents "become" cardinals; wich can be very helpful; the church will be one of the major powers; think about it; the brother of the king; is a cardinal; then, the pope dies... now; your brother becomes pope!!!!

the Prince, anybody??

 

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When did Cardinals come into existence? I thought it was in the middle of the XII Century. Some semblance of Church Hierarchy should be represented, especially at places, such as Cologne.

 

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Re: Re: church!

Originally posted by Drakken


Rome hadn't the Pope for a quite long time during the Middle Ages. Surely you mean Avignon...

Drakken

Italy had the Pope for more years than Avignon - not necessarily in Rome, but in Italy.

 

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my source: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03333b.htm

"Until late in the Middle Ages the title of cardinal was given to prominent priests of important churches, e. g., at Constantinople, Milan, Ravenna, Naples, Sens, Trier, Magdeburg, and Cologne (cf. G. Phillips, Kirchenrecht, Ratisbon, 1845 sq., VI, 41 sqq.; P. Hinschius, "Das Kirchenrecht der Katholiken und Protestanten in Deutschland", Berlin, 1869, I, 318 sqq.)."

"This statement takes it for granted that at the end of the eighth century the weekly service of the cardinal-bishops was already an ancient custom. That these bishops also received the name of episcopi cardinales is intelligible enough after what has been said. Though the number of cardinal-bishops has always been seven, their particular sees have not shared the same fixity."

" In the twelfth century the number of the cardinalitial dioceses was diminished by one, when Callistus II united Santa Rufina (Silva Candida) with Porto, so that only six remained. In the Middle Ages, therefore, the cardinals should have numbered fifty-three or fifty-four. As a rule, however, they were fewer; after the thirteenth century their number often sank considerably. Under Alexander IV (1254-61) there were but seven cardinals. During the Western Schism their number increased, inasmuch as each of the contending claimants created his own college of cardinals."

"The Council of Constance demanded that their number be fixed at twenty-four (Martin V, in his Decree of Reform, 1418, C. 1 "De numero et qualitate cardinalium"; cf. B. Hübler, "Die Konstanzer Reformation und die Konkordate von 1418", Leipzig, 1867, 128). The same number was demanded by the Council of Basle in 1436 (Sess. XXIII, c. iv, "De numero et qualitate cardinalium", in Hardouin, "Acta Conc.", Paris, 1714, VIII, 1206 xq.). In 1555 an agreement was reached between Paul IV and the cardinals, whereby their number was fixed at forty, but this agreement was never carried out. On the other hand, Sixtus V, by his yet valid constitutions "Postquam verus", of 3 Dec., 1586 (§ 4), and "Religiosa sanctorum", of 13 April, 1587, fixed the number of cardinals at seventy, six cardinal-bishops, fifty cardinal-priests, and fourteen cardinal-deacons, in imitation of the seventy elders of Moses, and declared null and void all nominations in excess of this number (Bullarium Rom., Turin, 1857, VIII, 810 sqq., 833 sqq.). As a matter of fact, such nominations would not be invalid, and have been made (Archiv. f. kathol. Kirchenrecht, LXIX, 167 sq.)."

O.

 

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I wonder how much importance your realation to the pope will have, if any?

 

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I wonder exactly how the Pope will be elected and Cardinals appointed.

 

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Will there be Cardinal-Bishops, Cardinal-Priests, and Cardinal-Deacons? Will there be the Curia? Will there be the establishment of the Holy Inquisition (perhaps through an event)?

 

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maybe you get a relative as a cardinal; (assuming that you have a religious parent)

Anyway, I think that those are very good ideas, I had made a sguggest in other thread, the one about Pope and election. Tell me, what do you think of my idea?

 

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Will Nestorianism be represented?