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Angelos

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Why is that about the bulgarians untrue?They weren't independent in 1066.They had been recently resubjucated By Vasillios.
 

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Let's look at the "border areas" in the game:

Outremer:
Getting there and maintaining a presence will be quite a difficult undertaking according to all reports, meaning game balance won't be too hard to achieve as (historically) only richer dynasties and the church will be able to support a crusade. There also aren't really any Christian border countries unless you count the Byzantines, who have a claim on the area anyway.

Asia/Russia:
The Mongols are apparently going to be the hard-core a**kicking warlike people they were historically, up against a relatively weak set of Russian principalities. Game balance should be a concern the other way (e.g. keeping the Russians alive).

Spain:
The Spanish states are historically supposed to end up owning the lands held by moors and become a ridiculously powerful country, so "proper game balance" should result in Spanish kingdoms conquering the border areas in Spain.

Baltic:
The states surrounding the Baltic areas weren't necessarily powerhouses. The church organized the conquest of the area via the Teutonic knights. Even if a player manages to conquer the area, it shouldn't pose serious game balance issues


Overall I don't think the border areas will pose much of a threat to game balance or historiocity (I'm still not sure that's a word). They are fairly limited in size, especially compared to EU. There shouldn't be any uber-dynasties forming from conquering border territories except for the ones (Spain) that historically should
 

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Overall I don't think the border areas will pose much of a threat to game balance or historiocity (I'm still not sure that's a word). They are fairly limited in size, especially compared to EU. There shouldn't be any uber-dynasties forming from conquering border territories except for the ones (Spain) that historically should

Well, what is wrong with attempt to make uber-dynasty? Everybody will try to do that especially me! Emperor Zhai, the absolute ruler of HRE:D or the ruler of recovered Byzantine Empire:D
 

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Baltic:
The states surrounding the Baltic areas weren't necessarily powerhouses. The church organized the conquest of the area via the Teutonic knights. Even if a player manages to conquer the area, it shouldn't pose serious game balance issues

Both Danes and Swedes went "crusading" in the Baltic region. While the Swedes went to Finland and into Novgorod, the Danes went along the coast. Ask any Dane how Denmark got its flag "Danebrog", and they will tell you that it fell from the sky as they were crusading in Estonia or Livland... :)

These border states didn't manage to gain a significant hold on the areas, thus the military order of the Teutonic Knights was required to do the job instead. And it fitted well into German expansion to the East. :)
 

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Originally posted by pavlovs_dog
Baltic:
The states surrounding the Baltic areas weren't necessarily powerhouses. The church organized the conquest of the area via the Teutonic knights. Even if a player manages to conquer the area, it shouldn't pose serious game balance issues
Not really true... Denmark conquered the Vends (think EU west and half of east Pommerania) and Estonia, while Sweden subdued the Finns and waged war on the Karelians. Northern German princes entered the same area as Denmark on the southern Baltic shores, and the German Emperor sponsored the TO in the area more than the church...