Chinese Power Struggle Question

[AegonTheUnready]

So I am playing RoC and got the "Chinese Power Struggle" in the middle of my war with Japan. Sigh. So I decided to take the "Subjugate Warlords" focus. So, 70 days later, Yunnan & Xibei San Ma both agree to become my Puppets - and they are still fighting with me for "National Leadership"!? Alright fine, I'll do it the old fashioned way.

So, some months later, after kicking Japan off the mainland, I decided to finish off Shanxi. I had a Declare War because to refused to become my my puppet. Also they were supporting Yunnan in the Power Struggle. After a quick war, the only option I had at the peace conference was to puppet. This was super annoying. But okay, I'll just have to integrate them later, whatever.

But... Shanxi still supports Yunnan in the Seize Leadership contest. Wtf?! Dude I just conquered your country. Do you see this pistol pointed at your head? Stop interfering in internal politics! PS I waited 24 hours to see f maybe something needed to "tick over" No luck.

So my queston is, if I kick got to the trouble of kicking Yunnan ot of the faction and unpuppet them, then declare war and annex them, will that stop them from Seizing Leadership? What happens if I let them take over? Can I just refuse to become their puppet, win a war and take them over outright? Because this whole Intregrate Subject thing is bloody tedious and requires huge amounts of PP which I can't afford while I'm fighting for leaderhip.

What is the fastest way to resolve this?

 

[squid_hills]

I'm playing in 1.8x, so this information may be out of date. If I recall correctly, once a warlord becomes a puppet, he will still engage with the power struggle mechanic, but won't actually seize power if he gets enough support. I did a (non-ironman) playthrough as China a while back and puppetted Yunnan and Guangxi, but both of them kept eating territories in the power struggle. I ignored them and focused on Xibei and Sinkiang (I ate Com China and Shanxi through conventional war already) and before I knew it, Gunagxi had more popular support than I did... but they didn't try to take over. I annexed Xibei and Sinkiang, used their territories to regain popular support, then worked on annexing Guangxi. Yunnan, meanwhile, grabbed popular support out from under me... and didn't take over, either.

I think, either I ran into a bug, or puppets are prevented from seizing power through the popular support mechanic, but there isn't a line of code that tells them to stop playing the support game, so they waste PP on a power struggle they've already lost.

Again; playing in an older version and maybe hit a bug. Your mileage may vary with this. All I can do is suggest setting up a test game where you ignore your puppets in the power struggle and see if they actually seize control of China.

 

[AegonTheUnready]

I'm playing in 1.8x, so this information may be out of date. If I recall correctly, once a warlord becomes a puppet, he will still engage with the power struggle mechanic, but won't actually seize power if he gets enough support. I did a (non-ironman) playthrough as China a while back and puppetted Yunnan and Guangxi, but both of them kept eating territories in the power struggle. I ignored them and focused on Xibei and Sinkiang (I ate Com China and Shanxi through conventional war already) and before I knew it, Gunagxi had more popular support than I did... but they didn't try to take over. I annexed Xibei and Sinkiang, used their territories to regain popular support, then worked on annexing Guangxi. Yunnan, meanwhile, grabbed popular support out from under me... and didn't take over, either.

I think, either I ran into a bug, or puppets are prevented from seizing power through the popular support mechanic, but there isn't a line of code that tells them to stop playing the support game, so they waste PP on a power struggle they've already lost.

Again; playing in an older version and maybe hit a bug. Your mileage may vary with this. All I can do is suggest setting up a test game where you ignore your puppets in the power struggle and see if they actually seize control of China.

Thanks!

 

[fallgelb22061940]

Idk, why would you even be in that position? Just rush the focus subjugate warlords and you will kill Japan with ease, because you got the xp now to do army reform. Don't go for integrating before you finish of Japan. If you need more time to prepare, just let them have your territories, you get a truce with them and they will now have to do manual justification. Kill all the warlords, Annex all of those which didn't agree except for Guanxi, so you don't have to guard their coast and get all of their resources which you won't get because you are on free trade. Kill Commie China by putting up big radius of troops, let them expand a bit and then crush them by going around them. Now you are ready to kill Japan