Chill 4 - The return of the exiled

[Aladar]

OK, that solves one of the problems. However, if I am going to do the edits I would prefer not to wake up Lousiana from the dead. It still appears a bit tricky.

BTW, I will straight away say that if I have not recieved notice before noon tomorrow that I am the one who must do them then I will not do them.

I absolutely refuse to cooperate like the previous week when I had to do them late Wednesday afternoon because the necessary instructions were not issued. It is now more than 24 hours ago that Bob said he would not do any edits and still we do not know who will make them.

If I am the one that will do the edits you can all be sure I will apply the same rules as I announced the week before.

Volunteers to do the edits are wellcome.

All edits should be announced in the AAR-thread, no later than 1800 CEST today.

 

[Aladar]

Ups forgot to edit that copy/paste i made. It should have been.

Human vs. human offers: x provs rule from enemy (+2 from an alliance).

1419 - 1650 = 4 provinses
1650 - 1750 = 6 provinses
1750 - 1819 = 8 provinses
Alliance is always +2

TPs count for 0, colonies ½ (less than 1000 inhabitants), all provinses 1, CoT for 2.

No alliance rules, but a human country can only lose 4/6/8 provinces to an attack by any powers (human) attacking at the same time or before war exhaustion of the attacked country have decreased to 0 in the capital provinces. (The limitation due to war exhaustion does not apply if the last war that country got involved in was against the AI.)

Should we make this the rule for peace between human vs. ai too?

Ok this is the end of the discussion on war rules, from now on they are as follows:

Human vs. human offers: x provs rule from enemy (+2 from an alliance).

1419 - 1650 = 4 provinses
1650 - 1750 = 6 provinses
1750 - 1819 = 8 provinses
Alliance is always +2

TPs count for 0, colonies ½ (less than 1000 inhabitants), provinses 1, CoT for 2.

No alliance rules, but a human country can only lose 4/6/8 provinces to an attack by any powers (human) attacking at the same time or before war exhaustion of the attacked country have decreased to 0 in the capital province. (The limitation due to war exhaustion does not apply if the last war that country got involved in was against the AI.)

Human vs. AI: Max 3 provinses, 5 from alliance like it's been from the start.

Formal Alliance:

For an alliance the cap is 2 points more than the base rule. I.e. nations in an alliance can together take 2 more points than the basic rule allows. Note: alliances on the losing side are irrelevant. Each nation in a losing alliance can lose the number of points defined in these rules.

Definition of alliance: Each nation is considered to be in alliance with another nation if these two nations were formally allied at any moment during a period of uninterrupted war with the opponent in question. The criterion of "uninterrupted" only needs to be true for one of the nations, e.g. say A DOWs X and B joins A; then B makes peace with X (thus B "interrupts" his war with X); then B reDOWs X on his own before A makes peace; in this situation A and B are still considered to be in alliance.

Informal alliance:

If you are considered to have an informal alliance with another nation rule 2 applies for you as well. For this to apply the condition is:

If a nation is already engaged in war and then another nation makes an independent DOW while the WE of the DOWed nation is above zero, the attacking nations are all considered to be in an informal alliance.

WE refers to WE of the capital of the DOWed nation.

Exception: if the last war the DOWed nation engaged in before the DOW now in question, was a war with the AI rule 3 does not apply.

Happy now Daniel

 

[unmerged(6147)]

I am always happy when people agree with me Aladar

 

[unmerged(6147)]

Aye give Naples a penalty of 1000d for the provinses.

Good decision. If cash is not at hand one can always deduct from investment.

 

[unmerged(6147)]

All edits should be announced in the AAR-thread, no later than 1800 CEST today.

Who makes the edits? You or me or someone else?

 

[unmerged(6147)]

If someone abuses the current province cap rule by asking a friendly nation to DOW you, when you are in a losing war, and then gives that friendly nation the maximum number of provinces thus leaving nothing for your true enemy, then may you perish in hell.

 

[unmerged(36986)]

As I said before, I am not sure I will make it to 18:30 CET next session. I will try and look for a sub.

 

[unmerged(6147)]

Exception: if the last war the DOWed nation engaged in before the DOW now in question, was a war with the AI rule 3 does not apply.

Happy now Daniel

Since you removed my nice structure there is no longer any "rule 3".

For an alliance the cap is 2 points more than the base rule. I.e. nations in an alliance can together take 2 more points than the basic rule allows.

You did not include my point system.

If you are considered to have an informal alliance with another nation rule 2 applies for you as well. For this to apply the condition is:

There is neither a rule 2.

 

[unmerged(6147)]

As I said before, I am not sure I will make it to 18:30 CET next session. I will try and look for a sub.

When will you come home?

 

[unmerged(36986)]

When will you come home?

Well, session is supposed to end at 17:30 CET and then I need to get home. But sometimes, laywers just talks, and talks, and talks, and talks....

 

[unmerged(6147)]

OK, we may need a sub for an hour, but not more. That should not be that difficult I hope. Try Engel, Mulli, FAL, labalag or Fnuco for example.

 

[Aladar]

Daniel - you are editing

And just to be sure, here are Granada requests for edits:

Edits for next session:
Manu in Gerona (id427) to Aragon (430) -100d
Manu in Mayumba (id787) to Castilla (id436) - 100d
Natal (id773) from Portugal to Granada
5200d from Granada to Portugal

New cores, provinses owned more than 60 years and state culture.

Cap Verde, Mdennan, Azaouad, Timbuktu, Gao, Say, Bure, Bambuk, Segu, Casamance, Gambia, Jenné, Awdaghost, Nouahchott
Zaria, Nupa, Douale

790 797 798 802 818 1487 1490 1491 1494 1495 1496 1497 1498 1499 1502 1596 1597

AAR-reward: BB reduction

2 generals.

 

[unmerged(49182)]

Daniel - you are editing

And just to be sure, here are Granada requests for edits:

Edits for next session:
Manu in Gerona (id427) to Aragon (430) -100d
Manu in Mayumba (id787) to Castilla (id436) - 100d
Natal (id773) from Portugal to Granada
5200d from Granada to Portugal

New cores, provinses owned more than 60 years and state culture.

Cap Verde, Mdennan, Azaouad, Timbuktu, Gao, Say, Bure, Bambuk, Segu, Casamance, Gambia, Jenné, Awdaghost, Nouahchott
Zaria, Nupa, Douale

790 797 798 802 818 1487 1490 1491 1494 1495 1496 1497 1498 1499 1502 1596 1597

AAR-reward: BB reduction

2 generals.

This should be posted in the Diplomatic thread.

 

[Aladar]

It was.....but last time i did it Daniel didn't edit it :wacko: , so it's posted in both threads now.

 

[unmerged(6147)]

ok, i do the edits. But I will remind you I cannot generate leaders. Anyone else knows how to do that?

 

[Aladar]

As long as Bob shows up 5 mins before session, he can still make em.

 

[unmerged(36986)]

The risk that I might be late for next session has increased.

I have not got hold of any sub (tried those Daniel mentioned whos ICQ I have and others), but will of course keep on looking. If I do not find a sub, maybe you can sleep the HORDES as Tonio explained a few days ago?

 

[Papa Chubby]

I have now made Papa's and Lotus's edit requests.

Regarding the burned manus: I cannot any longer find any rule allowing it. Aladar: did we change that rule? If so Gelre cannot have their manus back. Please inform me.

Papa, you do not own S:t Thomas, province 145. Thus no manu has been edited to that province.

Are you telling me that you have not edited the manu's back ? if that is the case and you are to do them later then I have changed St.Thomas into the correct St. Martin 146. I would be thankfull if you would do that. If you already have done them or will not do them because of rules, then I guess you can just ignore this post. I have already edited the diplomacy post.

 

[Norrefeldt]

As mentioned before, Dud (Denmark) will not play tomorrow. I have instructions for a sub, if we get one.

 

[Aladar]

Burned manus rule is still in, i dislike removing it now, since if no other i myself have benefitted from it in the past.