Children of the Fatherland: MP conversion game
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There's more than one muslim power, and there's a good 400 years of EU3 coming up.
A likely excuse. After centuries of attempting to gain the Throne of Caesars and prove that Croatia is the rightful heir of Rome, your first official act as Vice-Regent of Christ is to offer protection to the Egyptian infidels as they go about their stated goals of destroying the core territories of Christianity and of ancient Rome and putting the inhabitants to the sword. Selling the Christians of Italy and Turkey for a piddling pair of provinces.
As if the existance of other infidels off in the edge of the map makes it okay to help the infidels in the middle destroy the Christians that the Roman Empire has protected for so long.
Some Roman Emperor.
As if the existance of other infidels off in the edge of the map makes it okay to help the infidels in the middle destroy the Christians that the Roman Empire has protected for so long.
Some Roman Emperor.
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A likely excuse. After centuries of attempting to gain the Throne of Caesars and prove that Croatia is the rightful heir of Rome, your first official act as Vice-Regent of Christ is to offer protection to the Egyptian infidels as they go about their stated goals of destroying the core territories of Christianity and of ancient Rome and putting the inhabitants to the sword. Selling the Christians of Italy and Turkey for a piddling pair of provinces.
As if the existance of other infidels off in the edge of the map makes it okay to help the infidels in the middle destroy the Christians that the Roman Empire has protected for so long.
Some Roman Emperor.
The rebels who so long held the throne do not deserve our help. Nor do the Christians who follow them. They were allied with Islamic necromancers for Three Hundred and Fifty years. The Radomirs have secured more of the Italian peninsula for Byzantium and ensured that the rightful Byzantine rulers have a safe environment in which they can cultivate their new territory.
I also suspect that further diplomatic actions which you are not privy to would also help you see the light.
I see the light. The Light illuminates an infidel Italy. An infidel Rome. And a Roman Emperor who has not answered Christ's call to arms.
Whether the Komnenids deserve help or not is irrelevant. They are Christian, and so deserve it more than the Mohammedans busy ravaging Italy and murdering Christians in the heart of the Roman Empire, but what Christ demands is not aid to the Greeks, but to defend Christendom and rescue it from the infidel. This is Crusader Kings.
And the reaction of the Roman Emperor to to sign a defensive alliance with the infidel. Immediately after they stated their intent to heighten their depraved campaigns of slaughter against Christ's faithful and to extend the slaughter to yet further corners of the Roman Empire.
Unworthy of the Imperial legacy. Constantine would be ashamed to see his city in such faithless hands.
Whether the Komnenids deserve help or not is irrelevant. They are Christian, and so deserve it more than the Mohammedans busy ravaging Italy and murdering Christians in the heart of the Roman Empire, but what Christ demands is not aid to the Greeks, but to defend Christendom and rescue it from the infidel. This is Crusader Kings.
And the reaction of the Roman Emperor to to sign a defensive alliance with the infidel. Immediately after they stated their intent to heighten their depraved campaigns of slaughter against Christ's faithful and to extend the slaughter to yet further corners of the Roman Empire.
Unworthy of the Imperial legacy. Constantine would be ashamed to see his city in such faithless hands.
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Is that the answer that will be given to Saint Peter at the Gates of Heaven, when he separates the followers of Christ from the friends of Mohammed?
We're not quite to the point yet where Catholics rely solely on works to get into heaven instead of faith, so yes.
You're amazed that a power will not willingly go to war with prospective enemies that total twice his size?
If you do not understand that, you do not understand how to successfully run a nation.
Besides, the Pope is the Caliph of Egypt. The Crusade target is Nicaea.
This is because, as much as the Christians fear God, they fear me even more.
Some consider the Crusades to be a black page in the (real) history books. Look at it this way: we do not waste young men's lives in a futile pursuit to liberate some 'holy' patch of land just to appease some church official in a funny hat. If it's about who practices which religion, if you feel Islam is somehow inferior to Christianity (an opinion I, for one, do not hold), you are entitled to it, but we, the civilized nations of the Western world, do not convert by the sword.
I'll have you know that Christianity is freely practised throughout Iberia, with none of that silly Reconquista business. Al-Andalus is an enlightened realm, in which every man may choose his own salvation, and the Andalucian rulers, Catholic, Jew, Orthodox, Pagan and Muslim alike object to the concept of crusades.
Indeed, it might be said that we have accomplished the most daunting task of all Crusader Kings: we have vanquished the crusades themselves.
(Good riddance, too. Now let's get to EU3!)
Prospective enemies twice your size and laid low by revolt and war?
However, while I direct my comments chiefly at you as the leading Christian collaborator with the Egyptian campaigns of Christian extermination while simultaneously claiming to be Constantine's successor and Vicegerent of Christ, every Christian king not currently at war to drive the infidel from Italy shares a piece of your ignominy. Don't tell me that six Christian kingdoms could not defeat two Muslim ones if they would live up to the name of the game.
Believe it or not, the Papacy does not operate on the principle that the killer of the last one gets the chair.
A sad state of affairs.
And have you raised the slightest objection to your allies doing exactly that, or instead aided their campaigns of slaughter and protected them when even their own people revolted against the horror?
And I don't care about the real history books. This is Crusader Kings, it needs more crusades!
I believe OrangeYoshi was referring to al-Andalus, with its defensive alliance, rather than the Caliphate itself. I observe in passing that Rome is beating the Caliphate; it is the hordes of foul Persian necromancy-things pouring across the Anatolian border that are giving us trouble. And honours are about even thus far; we have exchanged blow for blow. The trouble is that Persia can take such blows longer than Rome can.
As for the other Christian nations, if you leave aside Croatia the only one not at war with Persia is Russia. And Croatia has signed no treaty with Persia.
The Calipha was duly elected by a majority vote amongst the Cardinals, Patriarchs and Lords Fatimid, all guided by the light of Allah, as the true representative and vice regent of God Almighty. I note that in this time line the lines between Christianity and Islam is much more diffuse, and most wars have had a distinctively pragmatic, rather than religious spirit. Ethnic at worst, but there has never been any problem forming alliances or intermarrying between the Islamic and Christian realms. The absolute dogmatic power of the old Popes was lost long ago, pagan Kings pop up everywhere, and the Averronian enlightenment has swept much of both the Christian and Islamic world. With no centralized church to speak of, and the carefully enforced tolerance of the Franco-Iberians, large swats of the map see it as questionable if Islam and Christianity can even be seen as distinct religions rather than theologic disputes of the divinity of the prophet Isa and finality of the Prophet Muhammed (the Andalusian king is a Catholic Shi'ite!).
For the longest time the only thing the powers that be care of is that their holy men reminding their subjects of their Divine Right to collect taxes, and since all pray to the same God not many are willing to take up arms over some people in funny hats far away praying to God on the wrong day of the week.
I observe in passing Rome fights under the Emerald Banner.
I observe in passing the Calipha has not yet begun to fight.
I observe in passing that last time we where in this situation I walked away with Antioch and the Isles.
It has had plenty of Crusades, they just haven't turned out the way you or their instigators hoped! It is because of hotheads with rhetoric like this that the Patriarchs and Cardinals now answer to Alexandria! It is because of Sicily that the Triregnum now rests comfortably on the Caliphas head! Think long and hard before you make more wishes!
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Your report at the time was something like that you had hung the Pope from his own walls and declared yourself his successor.
It is undeniable that large swathes of the map are covered by the Egyptian caliphate.
You must have been reading a different thread than me? The last century or two has seen you start multiple holy wars and expand your faith greatly by the sword. And gloat wildly over your success in doing so. I am merely encouraging the Christian kings to strike back in the defense of Christendom and drive you back to Africa, where you belong. You have been eager to go to jihad, and that should be answered by crusade.
I recall only one Crusade of any consequence that was not waged by the AI, and AI doesn't count in MP games.
In any case, that Crusade was a great success and saw the return of many lands to Christ. That it was not followed up on and that later generations have instead dishonored Christ's call to arms is what I would like to see corrected.
I'm sure that then led to a majority vote, although the large men holding very sharp swords may have helped encourage the cardinals, along with the body of the former pope. Defeat and the possibility of death are the best vote-winners.
I note in passing that the word 'caliphapope' has only been spoken in one place on the entire internets.
Good lord, man. What are we, barbarians? We put his head on a pike outside Alexandria and declared the Caliphas successor Pope some years later.
Politics as usual then.
There have been wars yes. But not Jihads. If a coalition of Christians and Moslems fight an alliance of Moslems and Christians it is not a religiously motivated war. I not also most wars have not been started by me.
Who have I jihaded? My wars with Byzantium were chiefly fought between Me,OY,vR vs. KoM/Foels. Muslim/Catolic/Orthodox vs. Orthodox/Muslim. Or do you mean Italy? It was partitioned by 2 Catholic, 1 Averronian, 1 Orthodox and 1 Muslim power. These are not religiously motivated wars, they are pragmatic wars where your religion has had no correlation as to what side you are on. In fact our wars have been paragons of religious tolerance! The Persians were rarely late to a crusade back in the day!