Cheating on the EU4 Leaderboards

[LordNeidhart]

What? Leaderboard? What? When? Where? Huh?
Huh. So I guess this is a thing that exists

I wonder what fraction of the player base actively keeps track of these things, it's not like EUIV is the sort of game that lends itself well to things like, say, Daily Challenges.
Although that'd certainly be hilarious.

"Today's daily challenge: You are France and you are locked in a coalition war against the rest of Europe, your troops have +50% discipline but your country doesn't have [and cannot have] a single fort. Go."

 

[forrseti]

No record

 

[underlordgc]

What? Leaderboard? What? When? Where? Huh?
Huh. So I guess this is a thing that exists

I wonder what fraction of the player base actively keeps track of these things, it's not like EUIV is the sort of game that lends itself well to things like, say, Daily Challenges.
Although that'd certainly be hilarious.

"Today's daily challenge: You are France and you are locked in a coalition war against the rest of Europe, your troops have +50% discipline but your country doesn't have [and cannot have] a single fort. Go."

I'd pay $5 for that dlc

And yea, when I initially posted the leaderboards were up but I couldn't get my score to appear. They could've just not been updating I guess.

 

[Dagda]

The fascinating thing about EU for me was always immersion and setting my own goals. Just play because it is fun and not to hunt for scores, achievements, victory cards, leaderboard positions...

Yeah leaderboards for this type of game is just silly and seems like slippery a slope. What's next a EU MMO?

 

[Xia]

Personally I found the leaderboards kinda pointless, as there's no real way to know who is and who isn't cheating. Ironman provides literally no protection against cheating, therefore not a single one of the high scores can really be trusted. That this happened already just demonstrates my point perfectly.

 

[Sharples88]

Let's hope these cheaters get forum banned.

 

[underlordgc]

What's next a EU MMO?

There actually was one a long time ago. You can read about it here.

 

[ChildeR]

Let's hope these cheaters get forum banned.

I don't understand this attitude.

Whether someone decides to cheat in a single-player game or not does not affect my enjoyment in any way.

 

[gia257]

The answer you seek is yes
The leaderboard is still being worked on but we wanted to release it with the expansion since it's something the community has been asking for. Rest assured that the current situation is currently being looked at and we hope to have a good solution for it soon.

Happy to hear you like it btw, I'll make sure to pass it along !

I feel leaderboard is interesting, but to have it fully done you need to record a demo probably (and then the top 100 per tag could have the demo available), and well a demo is probably a lot of work, not impossible but a lot of work. Once you have a demo though, you can easily check the game was not cheated beyond repair (you can tas/bot it I guess, but the taser would probably make it as public as possible, for the rep).

 

[Sharples88]

I don't understand this attitude.

Whether someone decides to cheat in a single-player game or not does not affect my enjoyment in any way.

Except the cheat in question gives no benefit, is just directly effects the leaderboard system, of which cheaters would only like to glory hog themselves onto it with 7+ digit scores.

If you're going to play a game, do it right. And no, mods shouldn't affect the system because they can be turned off or give a warning stating that it'll not be allowed onto the leaderboard, what is the point of having a leaderboard system when the cheaters are at the top? Shouldn't it be called a cheat-board in that case then? :/

You see this leaderboard now? http://leaderboard.europauniversalis4.com/

That is HOW it should be, not clustered up with a ton of digits who got there as Ryuku in December 1444.

Edit: Also if you're going to put italics in your attitude, then don't do post the above quote where you "don't understand the attitude" All of us are simply not the same. If it doesn't affect YOUR enjoyment, fine but it might affect it for the some of us who have tried our hardest to get on a leaderboard.

 

[FLESH HUNTER]

It should be a leader board shadow ban where others can't see your scores

 

[gia257]

Except the cheat in question gives no benefit, is just directly effects the leaderboard system, of which cheaters would only like to glory hog themselves onto it with 7+ digit scores.

If you're going to play a game, do it right. And no, mods shouldn't affect the system because they can be turned off or give a warning stating that it'll not be allowed onto the leaderboard, what is the point of having a leaderboard system when the cheaters are at the top? Shouldn't it be called a cheat-board in that case then? :/

You see this leaderboard now? http://leaderboard.europauniversalis4.com/

That is HOW it should be, not clustered up with a ton of digits who got there as Ryuku in December 1444.

yeah but how will you figure when you only got 1 more point that the actual 1st place, need a demo file or you cant properly say when a high score is legit or not

 

[Sharples88]

yeah but how will you figure when you only got 1 more point that the actual 1st place, need a demo file or you cant properly say when a high score is legit or not

Hopefully they'll make some modifications to make sure that the score cannot be modified then.

 

[gia257]

Hopefully they'll make some modifications to make sure that the score cannot be modified then.

impossible, the game runs locally, any decent hacker can cheat the score

 

[CompactDisc]

There are thousands of computer games. Tell me only one (not server-based) game where you can't cheat if you have some computer skills. So it isn't ok to blame Paradox for this.

I admit, it's not IMPOSSIBLE to cheat the game, but it's really really darn hard. "The Last Federation" and "AI War" are actively scanning for debuggers and will prevent edits as well.
Arcen Games only make nearly uncheatable games. It is so frustrating to do in fact, that most of them have no working cheats available online.

 

[gia257]

you just edit the binary to disable the cheat scanner and then you can cheat as you wish I guess they dont have trainers because its ai war not cod.

 

[chrnno]

The way I see it if the game doesn't have multiplayer with random people as key aspect then time and effort on anti-cheating is wasted. Since neither EU, nor CK, HoI, Vic and presumably Stellaris are like that I just don't see the point in Paradox giving more than the slightest nod towards it.