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Originally posted by Archeolooginspe
A Voter from Eutopia City

Excuse me sir, I've got a question for you! You as the strong man and future president. What are you going to do against those punks who destroy police cars. I nee my car every day for my mork. I brought it in friday for a regular check-up and now it has to stay a week longer in the garage. This costs me money. What you're going to do about that?

In all fairness, that doesn't lie in the competences of the President.
 

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(OCC: it may not be, but mr.Average usualy doesn't tend to know that.:)) All politicans are thiefs, grumble, president not responsible, é&é'à, ...

leaves the rally murmuring
 

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On the eve of elections, I have one final message to all of you. It involves simply, who to vote for.

Mr. Royalist is running on the monarchy platform. Monarchy is the greatest human folly in history. Why trust someone to run a nation, when that person's only claim to the nation is that he was born into the right family? There were five thousand people in England who would be better kings than Henry VIII, yet they could not be because Henry had the right parents. People should be qualified to lead a country, not because of their parents, but because of their honesty, intelligence, and integrity, and should be elected because the people believe he can do the job, not because the people hope he can do the job as well as his daddy!

Mr. Murmurandus is running on the platform of I'll Keep Doing What I'm Doing Now. Well, what IS he doing now? During the past term, only ONE bill was passed [or, will be passed], and NONE signed into law! Mr. Murmurandus, then, would presumably continue with nothingness. He has not given any goals as for what he wants to do. (In all fairness, his party has, but he hasn't.) So his agenda is as likely to involve reforming the Lacrosse League, just as much as it is to criticize the French or fight in Iraq.

Me? I've made goals: pass minimum wage laws, join the WTO, give the military new equipment, and investigate to see if political refugees could be terrorists. And I will use my power to push Parliament into action as much as I need to, and appoint a very hardworking [OOC: active] Cabinet. So a vote for me is a vote for a republic--and for an end to governmental lethargy.
 

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While it is true that the past term has seen little legislative activity, may I just point out three things:

(1) For much of the term, the President was jacob-Lundgren of your own party. In other words, it's one-sided at best to criticize President Murmurandus alone for legislative inaction.

(2) Legislation is the responsibility of Parliament (and personally, I'm not unhappy that both Presidents hesitated to exercise their right to propose legislation in the House). Parliamentary votes and discussions are organized by the Speaker. So to the extent that there has been legislative inactivity, the responsibility lies not with the President, but with the Speaker. For most of the term, that Speaker was a member of your very own party - so forgive me if I'm not convinced that a CC/FR candidate is the antidote to legislative lethargy.

(3) You seem to conveniently forget that the CC/FR and RD have been in coalition throughout the term. You can't fault one coalition partner for legislative inactivity without faulting the other.
 

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You seem to have conveniently forgotten one thing: I'm a politician!
 

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(next time i try to get sick when its convienant for you all :rolleyes: )

as far as extremists go as long as i am a member of the CC it will NOT be dominated by extremist views. *cheers for the candidate* though it appears the early favorite is mr. murm many have yet to vote.
(including myself but i want to see where what all happens;) )
 

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Originally posted by Hajji Giray I
You seem to have conveniently forgotten one thing: I'm a politician!
(As am I. ;)) True enough; that doesn't mean I can't call you on distorting what happened. :p ;)
Originally posted by jacob-Lundgren
next time i try to get sick when its convienant for you all
Just to clarify: this wasn't meant as an attack on you, and I certainly wouldn't fault you for the effects your illness has had on your ability to fulfill the duties of the Presidency;* in fact, I have the greatest admiration for your decision to step down once you decided that would be in the best interest of Eutopia. What I was objecting to was simply Mr. Morgan's transparent attempt to lay all blame for last term's inactivity at Murmurandus's step. :)

*[that goes doubly OOC. :)]
 

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Another Speech

Mr. Murmurandus seems to be getting most of the vote. This is simply ridiculous. He has not said a word about what he plans to do during the coming term. He has not established a single goal. And he has accepted into his fold two radical parties--one supporting socialism, and another supporting monarchy, which besides empire and dictatorship is the worst form of government ever conceived. And this is a man that people vote for? What do they expect him to do, if he has not said anything? Indeed, it is entirely likely that he may ban sports, or join NATO, or do ANYTHING, because he has not said he won't! And he has embraced the radicals. Murmurandus has effectively removed himself from common sense, yet draws votes seemingly because of it.
 

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Originally posted by Hajji Giray I
Mr. Murmurandus seems to be getting most of the vote. This is simply ridiculous. He has not said a word about what he plans to do during the coming term. He has not established a single goal.
Mr. Murmurandus has a distinguished history of working for the betterment of Eutopia, and his achievements are well-known; people are aware what he stands for, and vote accordingly.
And he has accepted into his fold two radical parties--one supporting socialism, and another supporting monarchy, which besides empire and dictatorship is the worst form of government ever conceived.
(1) Given that leading members of the CC have been courting the CRE, and given that some CRE-members consider themselves closer to the CC than to other parties, I think that statement is... interesting. Apparently, it's fine and dandy for the CC to seek cooperation with an allegedly "radical" party, but it's not okay if the RD considers cooperation with the very same party as well.

(2) Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the CC not include the radical Nationalists? Is the Leader of the CC not a Mr. Jools, well-known for his anything but moderate views of the less fortunate members of our society, and for his tendency to see left-wing conspiracies behind every tree? Is the CC's Deputy Leader not a Mr. Langley, an outspoken (to be charitable) radical nationalist? Are Mssrs. Jools and Langley not ranked among the first three spots of the CC's parliamentary list?

(3) As far as I know, the CRE has not yet decided whether to join a coalition with any other party.

(4) The RD has made it very clear that it will not support a restoration of the Monarchy; it has been a lot clearer on this question than the CC, one might add.

(5) At this point, I'm not aware of any public statements President Murmurandus has made on the CRE during his re-election campaign.
 

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Dear Sir

I was most disappointed to here of your attack on monarchy. There is considerable proof that being elected is no more valid a way to gain good leadership than birth. Consider some of the elected leaders of various countries. Also, what 'folly'. Let us remember that Adolh Hitler was elected, that the McCarthy Inquisition was carried out by supposedly the greatest of democracies, that French democracy in the post-ww2 was so weak it needed a virtual monarchy in the person of de Gaulle to get the state working again. I could go on listing democractic follies, but there would be no point. There is no moral high ground between democracy and monarchy.

In being so dismissive though you descend into a pit. Despite my monarchist views I was considering voting for you, because I am also a conservative, and I find the CRE's programme a little left for my tastes. Now I will have to think hard about whether or not I desire someone like you running this country of mine.

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Dear Sir,

I was most appreciative of your condemnation of proposals to restore the monarchy. It is a fundamental right of humanity that all men are created equal and should not be elevated to higher status based simply on an accident of birth. While it is true that no government is perfect, it is clear that a government's only legitimacy derives from the people and as such, the power to choose that government should rest solely in the people's hands. Monarchists may choose to dwell on select memories of benevolent rulers, but the potential for absolutism handed over to any man or woman is assuredly as dangerous as if that power was seized by force.

I had been concerned by talks that your political coalition might support alliance with the monarchists, but I am encouraged by your stance on this issue. I will admit to you that I have strong concerns about the extremely anti-immigrant philosophies espoused by many in your party, but I am in favor of many of the things you have proposed in your platform. I think your criticism of President Murmurandus may be a bit harsh and undeserved, but I appreciate your campaign and it does present a legitimate choice for me which I will have to give much thought.

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Reverend Teano,

I thank you for your support and agree whole-heartedly on your stance with monarchy. I will bar any movement by my party to ally with any party wishing to pass rule of this nation to a single, unelected person. [OOC: Melancthon, what do you say to THAT?]

As for my party being anti-immigration, I think all who want to enter EUtopia should, except proven terrorists/murderers/that kind of person.

I am running independent from the radical faction of my party; Mr. Langley recently said he did not agree entirely with me, for example. I would be happy if the left stopped linking me with the nationalists; the truth is that I am more moderate and I hope that most people see the truth instead of the socialists' political nonsense.

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Prof. Smith,

An absolute monarch can do anything: he can stomp on the rights of the people just as easily as he can walk through a flower garden. A monarch is a high risk for the peoples' liberty, one I am not willing to take.

And I do not like the comparison to Hitler; I promise as President I will not invade Poland. [The last sentence not entirely serious.]
 

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The ESRP breaks all the rules! And this is a party that the RD wants to ally with?

I DEMAND that the RD immediately breaks ALL ties to the ESRP, because if you don't you will be known as friends of a terrorist group in no time!
 
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I own the newspaper, I got the letter, I know a bit more than you do, but I won't disclose it out of kindness for the anonymous person who sent the notice.
 

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Indeed. Politics is one thing, gratuitous libel is another.

As to your complaints about "the Left" linking you with radical nationalists: sorry, but you *are* linked with them; you are a member of the same party, and your nomination has been supported by them. Did you actively oppose the merger of the FR and NP? Did you actively oppose the appointment of Mr. Langley to the deputy leadership? Did you consider leaving the FR when it decided to merge with the radical nationalists?

You call yourself a moderate, yet you run for a party led by Mssrs. Jools and Langley, and continue to polarize Eutopia with dubious campaign rhetoric. In good part, the latter consists of half-truths, slander and fearmongering. I'm afraid you may have taken a page out of the Jools/Langely strategy guide. While I appreciate that the CC is desperate to scare voters away from the Left by any means possible, your credibility as a moderate is the first victim of such a strategy.
 

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Mr Morgan

Perhaps sir before you castigate me as supporting dictators you might review that I am not a supporter of absolute monarchy. That you make such a halg-hearted reply does not bode well for your prospective chances of managing this island. A president, I am led to believe, is meant to be a figure who can bring people together. You sir seem intent on driving them apart.

Prof Karitas Smith
 

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Originally posted by Melanchthon
Indeed. Politics is one thing, gratuitous libel is another.

As to your complaints about "the Left" linking you with radical nationalists: sorry, but you *are* linked with them; you are a member of the same party, and your nomination has been supported by them. Did you actively oppose the merger of the FR and NP? Did you actively oppose the appointment of Mr. Langley to the deputy leadership? Did you consider leaving the FR when it decided to merge with the radical nationalists?

You call yourself a moderate, yet you run for a party led by Mssrs. Jools and Langley, and continue to polarize Eutopia with dubious campaign rhetoric. In good part, the latter consists of half-truths, slander and fearmongering. I'm afraid you may have taken a page out of the Jools/Langely strategy guide. While I appreciate that the CC is desperate to scare voters away from the Left by any means possible, your credibility as a moderate is the first victim of such a strategy.

As the leader of the Conservative Coalition I play only an organisational role. The real leader is the leader of the Free Republican Caucass and you know that. Besides, you of all people should know who your party is dealing with. Your two faced negotiators have cooed in both the communists and the monarchists. Now that's an explosive and polarizing eutopian politics move.
 

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Originally posted by Melanchthon
Indeed. Politics is one thing, gratuitous libel is another.

As to your complaints about "the Left" linking you with radical nationalists: sorry, but you *are* linked with them; you are a member of the same party, and your nomination has been supported by them.
Maybe, but they have said that my platform is unacceptable. See how my platform and my party's are different? Wow, how exciting!
Did you actively oppose the merger of the FR and NP? Did you actively oppose the appointment of Mr. Langley to the deputy leadership? Did you consider leaving the FR when it decided to merge with the radical nationalists?

1. No.
2. I should have, but at the time I was busy with other [Real life] issues.
3. Well, what party would I have joined? The Moderates were not yet a party, and I could not run for any office at all as a monderate anyway. Or maybe you want me to join the RD...
You call yourself a moderate, yet you run for a party led by Mssrs. Jools and Langley, and continue to polarize Eutopia with dubious campaign rhetoric.
Mr. Langley can confess that he and I do not altogether like each other [in character, that is]. Also, Mr. Jools's medication has worked wonders, and he is now a normal human being like the rest of us. If YOU were attacked like he was, YOU would have gone crazy for a while too. But Mr. Jools is now a perfectly normal person and must not be accused of insanity.

In good part, the latter consists of half-truths, slander and fearmongering. I'm afraid you may have taken a page out of the Jools/Langley strategy guide.
That's a matter of opinion.

While I appreciate that the CC is desperate to scare voters away from the Left by any means possible, your credibility as a moderate is the first victim of such a strategy.
"Moderate" indicates your platform. My continued discussion of Mr. Murmurandus's lethargy and the ESRP's links to terrorism are not part of my platform. Okay, maybe that is a technicality, but look at the falsities in your reply to my speech. You can weave a fabric as well as I can.