Character traits should influence how much they care about titles/minor titles

[Denkt]

I find it strange that every character get the same opinion boost from minor titles which is unlike giving gifts in which greedy characters get happier than normal while charitable don't care much. I feel the same should apply for minor titles like proud characters would maybe get happier than usually while cynical characters maybe should not care much.

The same could apply to actual titles, some maybe get very pleased by getting more titles while others don't care much about it. Also the same can be said about pretty much Everything from tyranny and reworking titles, to being on the council.

This mean it would be harder/easier to please certain characters and it would make them feel a bit more alive.

 

[Ezumiyr]

I don't think that your general idea is wrong. However I disagree woth some of your examples.

I find it strange that every character get the same opinion boost from minor titles which is unlike giving gifts in which greedy characters get happier than normal while charitable don't care much. I feel the same should apply for minor titles like proud characters would maybe get happier than usually while cynical characters maybe should not care much.

Charitable should totally care about minor titles. Titles are the big deal. A greedy person will only see the associated benefits for themselves. A charitable person can see it as an acknoledgment of the good things they did for the kingdom. Or as a mean to do even more good. Charitable people don't refuse wealth and titles - you're thinking of ermits and ascetics. Now of course it could depend on which minor title you're giving away.

Similarly, it seems that "cynical" will be renamed in CK3, but behind that name, it's essentially a non-believer (or "utilitarian" if we're going to use philosophical schools) trait in game. And even if we're going with a broader definition, cynicism isn't complete relativism. Cynical characters may think things such as "yeah sure to going to the church today will lead me directly in hell, too bad" or "I'm only giving the Church money so I can ask for a divorce" etc. But minor titles? They are a minor source of money and power. Why would a cynical character disdain them? They may be aware that their liege is only giving them so they have a better opinion of them. But it might just work, because minor titles aren't meaningless. Better than nothing. And certainly better than words or prayers.

Now of course if we had thinkers of the greek school of cynicism in the game they wouldn't care about titles or anything, but I think that point has already been discussed a lot. Those philosophers aren't in the game.


I think we must keep in mind that the characters we play are still mostly nobles and rulers. Some are greedier than others, but all of them are very interested in land and titles. And let's be honest, it's also true for the religious people and the few commoners in the game.

But as I said, it would be nice if traits had influence on this kind of thing if it isn't already the case.

 

[Arko]

Somehow related with titles and positions mattering more or less for the character, it could also affect character traits. For example giving out titles to an ambitious character could have a chance to turn him being satisfied of his situation, temporary or permanently.

 

[Denkt]

Somehow related with titles and positions mattering more or less for the character, it could also affect character traits. For example giving out titles to an ambitious character could have a chance to turn him being satisfied of his situation, temporary or permanently.

That feels too easy and don't make much sense since they have said it will be hard to change personality traits.

In fact I don't even know why people would want what I suggest here. The only Point of the suggestion is to make the game harder.

 

[Varren]

Personality traits are much harder to change in CK3, so having someone lose Ambitious just because you made them Keeper of the Swans doesn't fly. Besides, the Ambitious trait means they can't be satisfied with such minor concessions; they'd rather be first in a village than second in Rome.

 

[Denkt]

Personality traits are much harder to change in CK3, so having someone lose Ambitious just because you made them Keeper of the Swans doesn't fly. Besides, the Ambitious trait means they can't be satisfied with such minor concessions; they'd rather be first in a village than second in Rome.

I don't care about that but I do care about if it make the game easier or not. Being able to have a chance to remove the ambitious trait by giving a minor title and thus make the game easier don't make too much sense to me. However I can see characters have ambitious in which they want a minor title or title and thus giving them one would satisfy that ambition.

 

[Arko]

Personality traits are much harder to change in CK3, so having someone lose Ambitious just because you made them Keeper of the Swans doesn't fly. Besides, the Ambitious trait means they can't be satisfied with such minor concessions; they'd rather be first in a village than second in Rome.

Sure a minor title or even a position in council is too minor and of course, so could be never satisfied whatever landed title you'd gave to them.

 

[Denkt]

Sure a minor title or even a position in council is too minor and of course, so could be never satisfied whatever landed title you'd gave to them.

What you are talking about fit more character ambitions.

 

[Arko]

What you are talking about fit more character ambitions.

Indeed it could, we've not seen ambitions back so far, nor having them depicted in character sheet.

 

[Denkt]

Indeed it could, we've not seen ambitions back so far, nor having them depicted in character sheet.

If you don't have any suggestion here we should wait to talk about that thing to it is actually revealed because Everything would just be guessing.