Changing succession laws

[Nimic]

Does the "no vassal count or above has a negative opinion about you" requirement count all vassals, regardless of Kingdoms? It doesn't make much sense that it would (why would it matter that the count of Kent doesn't like me if I'm trying to change the succession laws of Norway?), but it seems to be the case. Either that, or it counts all vassals, including the count vassals of your dukes. Because I've gone through the vassal list, mildly bribing a few people, and the only people who dislike me are a few imprisoned dukes in England. Do I really need to mollify them to be able to change the laws of Norway?

 

[Nikolai]

Good question! I *think* it's only inside your kingdom, but I'm 100% sure. It says *vassal* count or above after all.

 

[Nikolai]

Wait. It's all YOUR vassals, not only your de jure vassals.

 

[Nimic]

Wait. It's all YOUR vassals, not only your de jure vassals.

Wouldn't it be very strange if the count of Essex has to like me to be able to change the succession laws of Norway? It just doesn't add up.

 

[Nikolai]

No, I don't think so. It means bigger entities are harder to do radical changes to, which this is. Sounds a good enough reason for that to happen to me.

 

[Nimic]

But I'm not trying to do a radical change to my big entity, I am trying to do a radical change that will purely affect Norway. It doesn't make any sense from a realism perspective, and if it's from a balance perspective then it's severely overdone. I am just the king of Norway and England, and most of my vassals in England are Norwegians, and yet it's nearly impossible for me to change the succession laws (it seems).

 

[Nikolai]

Changing inheritance laws ARE a radical change?

 

[Nimic]

But I'm not trying to do a radical change to my big entity, I am trying to do a radical change that will purely affect Norway. It doesn't make any sense from a realism perspective, and if it's from a balance perspective then it's severely overdone. I am just the king of Norway and England, and most of my vassals in England are Norwegians, and yet it's nearly impossible for me to change the succession laws (it seems).

Changing inheritance laws ARE a radical change?

I know. But in the feudal mindset, the count of York should not have any say in it. This would be expected in CK, but not in CK2 with it's heavy focus on the different de jure entities.

 

[Watercress]

Are you changing the Succession Laws for Norway and England, or just Norway?

 

[Nimic]

Okay... I wish I paid attention. Now I can suddenly change the laws of Norway (I have had the game alt-tabbed for a while). In the meantime I didn't bribe anyone, though I did do a successful war against Scotland to gain one of my dukes a province. If I had paid complete attention, I would probably know why it works now when it didn't before. I am 99.5% sure I checked all my direct vassals in Norway, and they were positive. Something did change, though, that is obvious.

 

[Meanmanturbo]

Okay... I wish I paid attention. Now I can suddenly change the laws of Norway (I have had the game alt-tabbed for a while). In the meantime I didn't bribe anyone, though I did do a successful war against Scotland to gain one of my dukes a province. If I had paid complete attention, I would probably know why it works now when it didn't before. I am 99.5% sure I checked all my direct vassals in Norway, and they were positive. Something did change, though, that is obvious.

Well, enforcing a claim gives a whooping +100 to relations

 

[Nimic]

Well, enforcing a claim gives a whooping +100 to relations

Yeah, but from what I can tell this guy already liked me. Can only imagine I must have missed someone, though it seems a bit strange. Or there's something I'm missing, some game mechanic to the particular "vassals must like you" rule.