Changing inheritance laws

[Martinus]

Although the game itself is extremely good, the change of inheritance laws are done very poorly. I tried to do it with Norway; most of my vassals had a around +4-5 % change rate, everybody was 100 %, I change the laws, and five days later half of my realm is lost INCLUDING my large vassal of a son who infact gained the first place in the succession order...! It might have been hard to change laws, but this is just silly.

While I agree that consequences of inheritance laws changes should vary, depending on circumstances, I think your example is actually one of the system working correctly.

Basically, what you did was removing a chance of inheriting from all your vassals (in elective) and "appropriating" the title for your personal family line only. Something like this should piss the vassals immensely - basically you cheated them all.

 

[Captain Frakas]

IMHO, Those which lose their heir statute in a change of successional law should immediately gain a claim on your title and lose a lot of loyalty and of relation.
Those which gain a heir statute in this law change should have a light rise of loyalty and relations.
Others do not realy care and should lose a little loyalty / relations.

Special:

If the law change is from the elective law to an other law type, all the vassal ones should lose enormously loyalty and relations. Your most prestigious vassal should lose even more loyalty / relations and gain a claim on your titles. Old Heir lost a lot of loyalty/relation and gain a claim.

If the change of law founds an electoral feudal state, all vassal ones should gain in loyalty and relations (except the former successor which should gain a claim on the throne and lose in honesty/relations). And vassal the most prestigious should gain some even more... except if he were already the heir, in this case, loss of loyalty / relations and claim on your titles.

 

[Spruce]

I think it might have something to do with the way loyalty was supposed to work according to the manual: only below 10% loyalty would make it possible to declare independence. 10% is pretty easy to gain, with some prestige, no scutage and good diplomacy you can easily get +5 prestige montly so you'd only have few months to worry about revolts. This does not seem to be the case though.

can you tell me how you can gain 5 prestige monthly?

what's scutage and what can you gain trough diplomacy besides marriage?

 

[Petrarca]

can you tell me how you can gain 5 prestige monthly?

what's scutage and what can you gain trough diplomacy besides marriage?

My slightly expanded Bohemia gets around 0.8 prestige/month. Three or four duchies as vassal got me an additional 1.2. 40% of the way!

Scutage is the tax you receive from your vassals. I don't find it that fruitful a source of revenue, and since the rollover tip says that if you lower it they are able to raise more troops, I pushed it to zero. Helps with their loyalty and getting more troops for La Reconquista.

 

[Spruce]

it seems I've duplicated this thread, so I'll continue here,

my point was that Frederick of Flanders, the best and strongest vassal goes from 100% loyalty to 0% altough he becomes heir to the title of Duke,

now this is not wad i hope,

 

[unmerged(28213)]

My only concern is that at the moment is seems like the law system can only be used a) right at the start of the scenario and b) if you're a count/vassal-less duke. I can't understand the rationale behind a game mechanic that's never used because it effectively costs you the game to do so.

1: Be a king
2: Have dukes with 1-province demenses as vassals
3: Raise your dukes' vassals armies
4: Change the law
5: Use your vassals' vassals' armies to beat your vassals

Of course, sometimes you want to keep a good bunch of counts as your own vassals for the extra cash and security, and in that case this'll be hard.