Changes to how colonies work.

[Prince de Conti]

1) What about tying colonial growth or colonist to the amount of base tax a nation has. Portugal, small than most in EU4, almost always ends up with the most colonies settled, more than Spain even, more than England and France, which had most settled territory as opposed to Portugal which was focused on trade.

2). More Colonial Revolutions please, after a certain date that is. The American Revolution was caused by both excessive taxation, salt and peppered with ideas from the enlightenment. The Latin American Independence wars snowballed off of each other and were caused by the Enlightenment/French Revolution unrest. There are rarely any Colonial Independence wars, even worse, when a colony revolts and is crushed, the other colony revolts, who squashes the rebellion? The previous rebel! confused.

 

[Lord Chocolate]

+1

 

[Chief of Staff]

The number one sounds good to me. It might work.

 

[colinljx]

1) What about tying colonial growth or colonist to the amount of base tax a nation has. Portugal, small than most in EU4, almost always ends up with the most colonies settled, more than Spain even, more than England and France, which had most settled territory as opposed to Portugal which was focused on trade.

2). More Colonial Revolutions please, after a certain date that is. The American Revolution was caused by both excessive taxation, salt and peppered with ideas from the enlightenment. The Latin American Independence wars snowballed off of each other and were caused by the Enlightenment/French Revolution unrest. There are rarely any Colonial Independence wars, even worse, when a colony revolts and is crushed, the other colony revolts, who squashes the rebellion? The previous rebel! confused.

1. good
2. technically speaking, all colonial nations should try to revolt once they become fully grown in size and have conquered all territories within its own colonial region. For example, the Americans rebelled because of the need for more land to the west, which the Brits were preventing them from settling.

 

[Nucky]

1) It seems logical, but countries would snowball even more. And it would take some fun from the game, it's pretty cool to build a big colonial empire as a small country. Also, historically, it's not that simple. France, for exemple, has some trouble to populate its colonies, while it had the biggest population of Europe by far.

2) Another reason why the American revolted is the absence of rival around: French Canada had just been annexed in the previous war, and GB support was not necessary anymore. It would make more sense for a colonial nation to revolt if they don't fear to be attacked by bigger power if their revolution succeeds. But anyway, I'm not a big fan of colonial revolutions. Historically it happened only in the end of the game timeframe and for specific reasons. And it happens far too late ingame to have big consequences.

 

[ashmizen]

Also, PLEASE make AI prioritize upstream locations -

I'm tired of England ALWAYS in every game in 1.9.2 colonizing northern Brazil, which is very hard for it to monitize, while Portual colonizes the entire 13-colony area. Why...England, WHY? Also, why Portugal, why?? Spain/Portugal can't actually move trade from the 13 colonies to Seville, it's actually IMPOSSIBLE.

Sure, colonize Mexico, colonize Western USA, those can be moved to Seville, but please put a hard-block on Spain/Portugal for Canada+13 colonies, because it's bad strategy, bad AI.

Similarly, add a hard block for England on the Brazil area.

 

[Chief of Staff]

1) It seems logical, but countries would snowball even more. And it would take some fun from the game, it's pretty cool to build a big colonial empire as a small country. Also, historically, it's not that simple. France, for exemple, has some trouble to populate its colonies, while it had the biggest population of Europe by far.

2) Another reason why the American revolted is the absence of rival around: French Canada had just been annexed in the previous war, and GB support was not necessary anymore. It would make more sense for a colonial nation to revolt if they don't fear to be attacked by bigger power if their revolution succeeds. But anyway, I'm not a big fan of colonial revolutions. Historically it happened only in the end of the game timeframe and for specific reasons. And it happens far too late ingame to have big consequences.

The issue you highlighted about first one might be somewhat resolved by setting maximum cap on colonial growth even if a nation has the largest tax base but that probably wouldn't solve it completely.

 

[Mikalos]

1) What about tying colonial growth or colonist to the amount of base tax a nation has. Portugal, small than most in EU4, almost always ends up with the most colonies settled, more than Spain even, more than England and France, which had most settled territory as opposed to Portugal which was focused on trade.

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you mean like Brazil?

 

[BFTeixeira]

Portugal had one of the largest empires ever. Has the centuries went by, and incompetent ruling led to disastrous decisions and treaties (the treatie signed with England is just ridiculous), along with natural disasters (the 1755 major earthquake that destroyed Lisbon), Portugal lost a ton of territory to other european powers (Englando, France, Netherlands). But put together Brazil, Guinea, Cape Verde, Angola, Mozambique, all the territory between Angola and Mozambique ("given" to the english under threat of war), East Timor, Macau, the Indian presence, and you see that it wasn't a trade focused empire. In fact, you put all those territories together, and it was quite larger than the entire european continent.

I like the second point. I think there to many givens in the game. To many relations that are too stable. It's almost easier to lose territory to rebels, than to colonies or vassals.

 

[BaZERGer]

One thing to consider, is how much this actualy happened in reality during the timespan the game runs over, i'm not sure if there's any nation other than USA that rebelled before 1800, and even then, their revolution wasn't that much before 1800 either.

 

[Prince de Conti]

One thing to consider, is how much this actualy happened in reality during the timespan the game runs over, i'm not sure if there's any nation other than USA that rebelled before 1800, and even then, their revolution wasn't that much before 1800 either.

Also almost all of the Latin American nations had rebelled or were in rebellion by 1821.

Portugal had one of the largest empires ever. Has the centuries went by, and incompetent ruling led to disastrous decisions and treaties (the treatie signed with England is just ridiculous), along with natural disasters (the 1755 major earthquake that destroyed Lisbon), Portugal lost a ton of territory to other european powers (Englando, France, Netherlands). But put together Brazil, Guinea, Cape Verde, Angola, Mozambique, all the territory between Angola and Mozambique ("given" to the english under threat of war), East Timor, Macau, the Indian presence, and you see that it wasn't a trade focused empire. In fact, you put all those territories together, and it was quite larger than the entire european continent.

Large yes and it was stretched out, but - apart from Brazil - it wasn't build upon importing settlers.

 

[lordvagrant]

Also, PLEASE make AI prioritize upstream locations -

I'm tired of England ALWAYS in every game in 1.9.2 colonizing northern Brazil, which is very hard for it to monitize, while Portual colonizes the entire 13-colony area. Why...England, WHY? Also, why Portugal, why?? Spain/Portugal can't actually move trade from the 13 colonies to Seville, it's actually IMPOSSIBLE.

Sure, colonize Mexico, colonize Western USA, those can be moved to Seville, but please put a hard-block on Spain/Portugal for Canada+13 colonies, because it's bad strategy, bad AI.

Similarly, add a hard block for England on the Brazil area.

That's what the Western Europe trade node was there for, so you could ship trade to your home node.

 

[987655mm]

I agree with the revoultions and I would suggest, that colonies can always be released as a part of a peace deal.

 

[BFTeixeira]

Also almost all of the Latin American nations had rebelled or were in rebellion by 1821.



Large yes and it was stretched out, but - apart from Brazil - it wasn't build upon importing settlers.

I'm sorry, but i disagree. Many settlers went to today's Angola, Mozambique, Cape Verde, S.Tomé & Príncipe, Guinea, Macau, Timor, and even India (to this day some Indian cities have a strong portuguese cultural presence, and portuguese is still spoken). Brazil is the largest nation born from the portuguese colonies, but there are several other nations have the same origin, and all of them have portuguese as official language, and have a strong influence from portuguese culture. There are about 215 million people with portuguese as native language. As for european based languages, it's the third most spoken language in the world, and that has to do with sending settler's to overseas territories.