Change Westphalian Culture Back To Hannoverian

[Mattius]

Naming a German culture after a French client state doesn't feel right. I understand there is a region of Germany named Westphalia, and the Westphalian people are somewhat different, but really, it should he called something else.

 

[grommile]

Westphalia is also the name of a historical duchy in the region.

 

[Qantrix]

The name of Westphalia precedes the use in the sense of a French client state, just like Rhineland or Holland. Although I do think that something allong the lines of Low Saxon is more appropriate this is more of a geographic issue, the Westphalian culture in EU4 covers roughly the area of Lower Saxony. However calling it Low Saxon brings its own problems so this solution is fine IMHO.

 

[t6.28]

Westphalian would make sense, if you would move it down a bit and add a different culture in the north (maybe "Hanseatic") for Holstein, Hansa, Verden, Oldenburg?.

 

[Kiyant]

Westphalian is ok but there should also be a Low Saxon culture for everything above Osnabrück and Hoya.

 

[Grand Historian]

Dividing Westphalian and Hanoverian is something that should be done (along with dividing Hessian and Rheinlander).

 

[t6.28]

Dividing Westphalian and Hanoverian is something that should be done

I agree that north and west Germany should have different cultures, but I don't know, if Hanoverian is the right name. Maybe it fits for the Kingdom of Hanover region, but I don't know, if it is really a fitting description for Holstein.

 

[Twoflower]

Hanoverian is not really a good name, simply for being completely anachronistic in 1444 and up to the 18th century, and because even after the creation of the electorate of Hanover, it only refers to the territory of that political entity and does not have any linguistic, ethnic or cultural significance.
It is in no way accurate for the many territories in North Germany that were never ruled by the Welfs.
Westphalian, on the other hand, is certainly not a Napoleonic invention; Westphalia was one of the four subdivisions of the ancient Duchy of Saxony which was much larger in area than what later became the Duchy of Westphalia held by the Archbishop-Electors of Cologne. That said, it is not a good term for the area covered by the culture in EU4, because it represents only one quarter of it.
What exactly are the "own problems" that calling the culture "Low Saxon" brings? This is what this area is referred to as linguistically and culturally, and it is a name that still lives on in the Bundesland of Niedersachsen (Low Saxony) today. Please do not say that the problem is people being confused because, duh, Saxony is elsewhere.

 

[Krebsig]

The name of Westphalia precedes the use in the sense of a French client state, just like Rhineland or Holland. Although I do think that something allong the lines of Low Saxon is more appropriate this is more of a geographic issue, the Westphalian culture in EU4 covers roughly the area of Lower Saxony. However calling it Low Saxon brings its own problems so this solution is fine IMHO.

The problem is that Northern Germany has a few distinct cultures that all perceive each other as different from each other like Friesians, Westphalians, Lower Saxons, people who foremost identify as Hanseatic, etc. I think that just for this specific region the overall term "Northern German" should be used if you don't want to split Wesphalian/Hannoveranian into like 4 different subgroups as well.