Change the requirements for some Holy Orders

[Lord_P]

It's silly that some religions with only a single holy order have very tough requirements (own Jerusalem and Baghdad as Nestorian), while Catholic orders just pop into existence as soon as the Crusades start (well, depending on how they start).

I suggest that the Knights of Calatrava and the Knights of Santiago are not created automatically, instead with these decisions:

-Is Catholic
-Is ruler of an Iberian kingdom or empire (Galicia, Leon, Castille, Navarra, Aragon, Andalusia, Portugal or Hispania)
-Controls required county (Santiago or Calatrava)
-Crusades have started
-Has enough piety and prestige

This should spawn the holy order as vassals of the kingdom that created it. Knights of Santiago are, ofc, easier to create, so they should have less troops than the Knights of Calatrava.

 

[NewbieOne]

Creation being one thing, joining them should be restricted to unmarried people or result in becoming Celibate and separated (living in a different court than your wife, the same as e.g. when you banish her from your realm). Wives and kids shouldn't come along to the GM's court but stay behind. The likelihood of people joining when they have small children to take care of should also be very low or nonexistent.

Also, orders should be created *after* winning a crusade, not before. Or maybe even after losing one or two. But they shouldn't be the moving force and primary manpool of the first crusade.

 

[Rags17]

Creation being one thing, joining them should be restricted to unmarried people or result in becoming Celibate and separated (living in a different court than your wife, the same as e.g. when you banish her from your realm). Wives and kids shouldn't come along to the GM's court but stay behind. The likelihood of people joining when they have small children to take care of should also be very low or nonexistent.

Also, orders should be created *after* winning a crusade, not before. Or maybe even after losing one or two. But they shouldn't be the moving force and primary manpool of the first crusade.

+1 this !

 

[Drazer]

I feel that holy orders are too powerful for the main religions. It makes the game too hard or impossible when playing outside the normal characters.

Maybe all holy orders should have requirements to be implemented and heretic lords should have events to convert those holy orders to their side. It would make the game richer and more fun and unpredictable to play.