Ethos also has other effects. It allows for certain government effects, edicts, and influences what policies are best for your empire. Looking at just these bonuses oversimplifies things somewhat, I'd say.
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Certain Ethos/Government Types Overpowered?
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You don't have to min/max if you don't want to play the kind of Empire/ethos/traits that is required for the Min/maxing
No one but yourself is forcing you to play space Hitler
No one but yourself is forcing you to play space Hitler
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I do hope some combinations are more powerful than others. For example, being fanatic individualist, materialist and natural engineers to quickly get robot pops/armies and have plenty of energy credits to maintain them.
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Each playstyle will have a best fit of traits
+Each player may have a best fit of playstyle(s).
= Each player will find some 'best combos'. But not necessarily the same as others find.
+Each player may have a best fit of playstyle(s).
= Each player will find some 'best combos'. But not necessarily the same as others find.
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Those individualist pops aren't going to stay materialist for long because of the ethics divergence.
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I've written elsewhere about this in detail elsewhere, but the short version:
I think science output bonuses from intelligence and materialism are overestimated.
- They only apply only to tiles on planets where your pop stands. Not events, not extraplanetary stations, not the scientists themselves. Meanwhile, talented, quick learner and age enhancing traits will increase research speed directly and you might integrate good "science aliens" later.
- If you have 5 research stations on a planet, and intelligent+materialist means they function like 6, how is this better than high happiness, increased energy production from individualist and thrifty, increased food production from agrarian etc, meaning they need one less production building, and hence just build the sixth research station and get the same science output?
I think science output bonuses from intelligence and materialism are overestimated.
- They only apply only to tiles on planets where your pop stands. Not events, not extraplanetary stations, not the scientists themselves. Meanwhile, talented, quick learner and age enhancing traits will increase research speed directly and you might integrate good "science aliens" later.
- If you have 5 research stations on a planet, and intelligent+materialist means they function like 6, how is this better than high happiness, increased energy production from individualist and thrifty, increased food production from agrarian etc, meaning they need one less production building, and hence just build the sixth research station and get the same science output?
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I just treat it all as rp fodder. Position and RNG planet placement are going to matter a huge amount. There are no known trade centres or gold mines or high econ provinces to push to. One species/state could pop somewhere ideal for their playstyle in one game and not in the next.
Echoing many here: let's play the game before we start the numbercrunching; and let's build a factor into our model for randomness of placement.
Echoing many here: let's play the game before we start the numbercrunching; and let's build a factor into our model for randomness of placement.
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All I want is a hive mind collective.
I don't care if it's DLC. Give me my weird bug people hive mind!
I don't care if it's DLC. Give me my weird bug people hive mind!
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The only ethos that seems underpowered is pacifist. Looks like the most boring one and easily rendered obsolete by tech.
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Unlocks some pretty interesting governments though. Moral democracy with +10% global happiness seems impressive.
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Fanatic Spiritual + Pacifist / Moral Democracy : Disney-Volume, the Happiest Place in the Galaxy.
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Don't forget to take communal and adaptable with that ;p
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Except food is one of the best resources in the game, so that +10% food is kind of crazy. +10% food is 10% less people needed to sustain the population. After a certain critical mass of people you will basically be able to unassign POPs from food and effectively get a resource type of your choice. And Army damage is not Ship damage. I think pacifism is far stronger than militarist. The -% upkeep governments might offset it, but pacifism also has strong governments.
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It has already been confirmed that Pacifists get more embassies. So there might be stuff that is not yet known or not one of the primary benefits that still helps you along the way.
The democracy that adds extra directly controllable planet feels like it will give a lot more flexibility
This discussion is somewhat pointless, is it not? We can't really know, how good the modifiers are. We don't even know the modifiers for sure yet, since our data is somewhat old by now and they probably tweaked a lot of them over the last weeks.
Than there is also the factor, that not everyone will try to choose the most effective traits, but will choose for RPG or playstyle reasons.
Than there is also the factor, that not everyone will try to choose the most effective traits, but will choose for RPG or playstyle reasons.
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More than being overpowered or not, some will be easier to be used on gameplay strategies than others, and such will become the favourite of many.
I imagine that some government types will be good at expansion, but rather poor at holding everything together. Others will be the opposite, and a variety of other things. Different governments for different 'paths'.
I hope this is an early DLC. I don't care much about super weapons. I just want my hive.
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