Centre of Revolution solo-targeting player WAD?

[Sidolowka]

So the new patch notes for the Beta includes these two changes (and a few more) to Revolutions

- The Revolution is much less likely to spread to a very stable monarchy (stable means here that the owner has 2 Stability and 90 Legitimacy).
- The Revolution now prefers to spread in the provinces of the owner of the Center of the Revolution.

I'm not entirely sure if they're working as designed however. Looking at my Knights game, we see here that a Centre of Revolution spawned in Asturias, Spain.

It immediately proceeds to ignore every single monarchy in Europe and goes for my French provinces instead, despite

A. France being a nearby monarchy with negative stability
B. My provinces being further away from the Centre than Spain and France.
C. My Jerusalem not even being a Monarchy

Several years later, the revolution has continued to spread only in my provinces (and my vassals' — Dauphine, Milan, Genoa and Lucca). Very odd considering how Milan in particular has been a very stable monarchy. Spain has yet to see a single province be affected.

Interesting to note how Liege was perfectly fine until I allied them to vassalise them. This for some reason made the Revolution target them as well.

Six more years in the Revolution has spread to my ally Sweden, and has fully occupied my Western European holdings and vassals.

Another note that an event fired that removed all of the Revolution from the Balkans and told me that my Balkan holdings would not be affected by the Revolution for the next 25 years.

Which was a blatant lie, seeing how progress in Sweden halted in order for the Centre to fully focus on occupying my Balkan and Anatolian holdings.

20 years after the Revolution has spawned, Spain has had exactly zero provinces be occupied by the Revolution while my country's being riddled with rebels by the +25 unrest. I can't even go crush the Centre of Revolution because Spain isn't revolutionary themselves, meaning even if I do go through the Revolution, the Centre's just going to spread +25 unrest to my lands again.

- The Revolution now prefers to spread in the provinces of the owner of the Center of the Revolution.

Is this working as intended? Or does the stable monarchy thing just completely outweigh it?

If it does, maybe it should be rebalanced so that the revolution avoids stable republics and theocracies as well?

 

[Nostalgium]

IIRC, Revolution logic also likes Great Powers, so you might be targeted because of that. Just as well though - CORv's despawn if they haven't made a country revolutionary in a few decades, and you never have to think about it again.

 

[Sidolowka]

IIRC, Revolution logic also likes Great Powers

Spain, Austria, the Commonwealth, Morocco and myself are all great powers, do you reckon there's a particular reason why it spread only to me and not the other four? Does it only target the strongest Great Power? Seems very strange how it only spread to my allies and vassals but not other great powers.

CORv's despawn if they haven't made a country revolutionary in a few decades, and you never have to think about it again.

Which is basically all I can do at this point — waiting without being able to do anything. At least before you could just insta-crush the Revolutionary Target and be over with it.

 

[grotaclas]

It immediately proceeds to ignore every single monarchy in Europe and goes for my French provinces instead, despite

A. France being a nearby monarchy with negative stability
B. My provinces being further away from the Centre than Spain and France.
C. My Jerusalem not even being a Monarchy

None of these matter. The first change just made it less likely to target provinces which are controlled by monarchies which have at least 2 stability and at least 2 legitimacy and which don't own the center of revolution. There are no factors which make it more likely for unstable monarchies to be targeted. And I don't think that distance matters either(but provinces on different continents and subcontinents are less likely to be targeted). You can find all the factors in common/revolution/00_revolution.txt . The most important factors are absolutism and the development of the provinces.

Another note that an event fired that removed all of the Revolution from the Balkans and told me that my Balkan holdings would not be affected by the Revolution for the next 25 years.

Was this the event Revolutionaries Defeated? It only affects provinces in that region which have the revolution at that moment and it only lasts for 15 years. Provinces which didn't have the revolution before can still be targeted. And provinces in adjacent regions are not affected by this event at all.

20 years after the Revolution has spawned, Spain has had exactly zero provinces be occupied by the Revolution

This however is odd, because the other change should give the provinces of the owner of the center of revolution a factor 10 which should overcome most other factors. Are you actually playing on the 1.33 beta and what is your checksum in the main menu? Can you maybe attach a save game (ideally one from soon after the center spawned and a later save as well)

Revolution logic also likes Great Powers

There is nothing in the files for that.

 

[Sidolowka]

There are no factors which make it more likely for unstable monarchies to be targeted.

Any idea why it would target Milan for example over every single other monarchy in Europe? Milan had more than 2 stability, although I'm not entirely too sure about legitimacy.

The most important factors are absolutism and the development of the provinces.

Development also seems to be weird considering how 90% of the HRE was unscathed despite consisting of a huge density of high dev provinces. My relatively low dev Balkan holdings were prioritised over them for some reason.

Was this the event Revolutionaries Defeated? It only affects provinces in that region which have the revolution at that moment and it only lasts for 15 years. Provinces which didn't have the revolution before can still be targeted. And provinces in adjacent regions are not affected by this event at all.

Yes, and it's indeed 15, not 25 years, I stand corrected. My point still stands though, considering how the event clearly read "All Owned Revolutionary Provinces won't be targeted by a center of revolution for 15 years". The Balkans were mostly reoccupied within 6 years, including provinces that already had the revolution wiped from them.

Are you actually playing on the 1.33 beta

Yes.

what is your checksum in the main menu?

v1.33.2.0 France (108e)

Can you maybe attach a save game (ideally one from soon after the center spawned and a later save as well)

I unfortunately don't have one from earlier, but I've attatched the current one below.

This however is odd, because the other change should give the provinces of the owner of the center of revolution a factor 10 which should overcome most other factors.

Which is indeed what I find most strange. How come Spain has had no provinces occupied by the Centre at all? Is this another "Bavaria gets +50% chance to have their provinces targeted by Centres of Reformation not -50%" situation?

 

[grotaclas]

Any idea why it would target Milan for example over every single other monarchy in Europe?

Milan is a republic in your save, so they can't benefit from the 0.05 factor for stable monarchies. And their provinces are catholic which is another factor (which I forgot to mention in my first reply),. This also explains why the HRE is not targeted so much, because most of their provinces are not catholic. I also looked at the other countries and most of the monarchies have 2 stab and more than 90 legitimacy, but the HRE countries which are currently targeted are below 90 legitimacy.

The Balkans were mostly reoccupied within 6 years, including provinces that already had the revolution wiped from them.

I don't see that in your save. About half the balkans don't have the revolution in your save:

The event Revolutionaries Defeated sets the hidden province modifier no_revolution_here_dummy which prevents the revolution from spreading to the province. From the save I extracted the provinces which have that modifier: Zagreb (131), Split (136), Ragusa (137), Hum (139), Bosnia (140), Edirne (149), Constantinople (151), Varasd (152), Burgas (1764), Aachen (1878), Visoki (3002), Belgrade (4239), Rijeka (4752), Podrinje (4755). I generated a map which shows them:

They only one of these provinces which has the revolution is Aachen, but they are a revolutionary country and might have gotten the revolution in the province in some other way.

But I found the problem with the new modifiers. The trigger owns = FROM which is used in both cases, doesn't work, because "owns" only works with province ids and not with scopes like FROM(FROM in this case is the province which contains the center of revolution). This causes Spain to not be targeted, because they have 2+ stab and 90+ legitimacy and don't get the x10 factor for owning the center of revolution. Changing the code to the following fixes that issue:

FROM = {
    owned_by = PREV
}

I'll make a bugreport about this

Edit: the bugreport is at https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...oesnt-get-increase-revolution-spread.1513060/

 

[Sidolowka]

Milan is a republic in your save, so they can't benefit from the 0.05 factor for stable monarchies. And their provinces are catholic which is another factor (which I forgot to mention in my first reply),. This also explains why the HRE is not targeted so much, because most of their provinces are not catholic. I also looked at the other countries and most of the monarchies have 2 stab and more than 90 legitimacy, but the HRE countries which are currently targeted are below 90 legitimacy.


I don't see that in your save. About half the balkans don't have the revolution in your save:
View attachment 811842

The event Revolutionaries Defeated sets the hidden province modifier no_revolution_here_dummy which prevents the revolution from spreading to the province. From the save I extracted the provinces which have that modifier: Zagreb (131), Split (136), Ragusa (137), Hum (139), Bosnia (140), Edirne (149), Constantinople (151), Varasd (152), Burgas (1764), Aachen (1878), Visoki (3002), Belgrade (4239), Rijeka (4752), Podrinje (4755). I generated a map which shows them:
View attachment 811843
They only one of these provinces which has the revolution is Aachen, but they are a revolutionary country and might have gotten the revolution in the province in some other way.

But I found the problem with the new modifiers. The trigger owns = FROM which is used in both cases, doesn't work, because "owns" only works with province ids and not with scopes like FROM(FROM in this case is the province which contains the center of revolution). This causes Spain to not be targeted, because they have 2+ stab and 90+ legitimacy and don't get the x10 factor for owning the center of revolution. Changing the code to the following fixes that issue:

FROM = {
    owned_by = PREV
}

I'll make a bugreport about this

I am not only too dumb to remember whether my vassal was a monarchy or not, but also stupid enough to not realise which provinces had the revolution and which didn't. Guess I must have mixed them up. Thanks for the heads-up and the bug report as well.

Why does the Revolution explicitly target Catholic nations though?

 

[grotaclas]

Why does the Revolution explicitly target Catholic nations though?

I was not very clear in my previous comment. Provinces which have a different religion than the center of revolution have a x0.8 modifier which makes them less likely to be targeted (provinces of another religious group get another x0.6 modifier). In your game the center of revolution is in a catholic province and because of that it prefers catholic provinces.

 

[Sidolowka]

I was not very clear in my previous comment. Provinces which have a different religion than the center of revolution have a x0.8 modifier which makes them less likely to be targeted (provinces of another religious group get another x0.6 modifier). In your game the center of revolution is in a catholic province and because of that it prefers catholic provinces.

Ahhh that makes sense thanks.