Centralization Level

[Jon2]

As you know a federation has a centralization level in the game right now, but why a normal empire has not a centralization level when you create it? It should have a centralization level in the empire creation menu and in the reform government menu during the game. Just because i have a goverment with democratic authority doesnt mean it is descentralized and not even that is centralized. Per example, a democratic government that each state has a level on independence but must obey a central government in some matters, is a federation, if each state has even more independence (like each state having it's own militar forces, and not a unified militar force like normally is the case with a federation), that it would be a confederation. And if it is a single state democratic government, so it is a centralized governments that mey be divided in some administrative zones or districts, but it is a only state government. So what i propose is have a level of centralization for empires too, each level with it's own effects, below is a example of those effects.


Centralizations Levels:

Level 1: Free States
This is the lowest level of centralization, the government is a consortium of totally free states, it is even less centralized than a confederation. Only democratic and oligarchic authority can have this centralization level.
Effect: + 30% Administrative Capacity and / - 12 % Unity / - 4% Resource Output (except for unity and administrative capacity give by jobs) / Colonies with Low Stability have a high chance of rebellion.

Level 2: Confederation
The government is a confederation formed by states with a high level of independence. Only democratic and oligarchic authority can have this centralization level.
Effect: + 20% Administrative Capacity / - 8% Unity / - 3% Resource Output (except for unity and administrative capacity give by jobs ) / Colonies with Low Stability have a moderate chance of rebellion.

Level 3: Federation
The government is a federationformed by states with a moderate level of independence. Any authority can have this centralization.
Effect: + 10% Administrative Capacity / - 4% Unity /- 2% Resource Output (except for unity and administrative capacity give by jobs) / Colonies with Low Stability have a low chance of rebellion. If the goverment authority is Dictatorial or Imperial, the administrative capacity will be + 5%, the penalty in Unity will be - 2% and in resources will be - 1%.

Level 4: One State
This goverment is formed by only one state, so the political power is totally centralized. Any authority can have this centralization.
Effect: Colonies with Low Stability have a very low chance of rebellion. If the goverment authority is Dictatorial or Imperial, it will gain + 5% Unity and + 5 in Stability on all colonies.

Those are just some effects i can think about, you can put more if you wnat, i just want ot express my ideia, not say how exactly it must be. In case you are asking the logic behind those effects, it is because the less centralizaed the government is, the better each state can manage it's own territory, but this decreases unity and resource output because the less centralized it is, the less each state must contribute with resources for the other states and less will be the unity between the people, because it citizen will prefer its own state than the others, which will help with separation movements if the people of the state so desire. The One State Centralization doesnt have the resource output and unity penalities, because it is a one state governments, so the state has power over all the resources and theres more unity between the people, since all they belong to the same state.

 

[Exodus of Khan]

I kinda like this but what would you do or propose on Dictarorship and imperial rule? im lost in my history and cant rember where there was an autocratic gov with a decetralized system but i think those goverments should always stay cetralized uless they have the feudal civic.

 

[Jon2]

I kinda like this but what would you do or propose on Dictarorship and imperial rule? im lost in my history and cant rember where there was an autocratic gov with a decetralized system but i think those goverments should always stay cetralized uless they have the feudal civic.

Thank you for remeber, i forgot to link the centralizations with every authority, i edited it now. I dont know if it is very balanced right now, but now all the autohirties are linked with centralizations. Anyway, this is just to show my idea, balance can come later with the devs.

 

[ezno]

Honestly why not for the centralisation, but I'm not sure that the buffs are good, for example colonies could have more revolts chance if very centralised as they would feel opressed by central governement

 

[Jon2]

Honestly why not for the centralisation, but I'm not sure that the buffs are good, for example colonies could have more revolts chance if very centralised as they would feel opressed by central governement

Yeap, as i said before, i was not thinking about balance when i wrote that idea, it was just to show the idea, the devs can put another effects on centralizations. But i dont think that a centralized government should have more chance to revolt, because it changes according to the people. Per example, Brazil, during its time as Imperial, the emperor Pedro II had a lot of support from the people, he even wanted to abolish slavery at the time, but couldnt because he didnt have the support of the main rich class, but he did approve some laws that paved the way to abolish slavery on Brazil in 1888, his daughter Isabel was the regent at the time that approved the Aurea Law, that freed the slaves. So even if a government has Imperial Authority, it doesnt mean the people feel oppressed by it.

I think it should be as factions. Each pop has ethics and may be in a faction of this ethics, so each pop may have a centralization opinion as well. If you are a Imperial government with One State Centralization and conquers pops from a Democratic Authority and Federation Centralization, they will probably not like the new system.

 

[GOLANX]

Not sure how this would work, neither the Confederate States or the Articles of Conefederation did not provide for a single unified military and you have a step below that. Prosperous Unification's flavor indicates a heavy level of centralization, and that's the standard origin. How do you represent the idea that your empire is a losely aligned number of independent states that in the case of your free states centralization does not consist of a single governing body, more like how the marauders draw straws to see who has to talk to you.

 

[Jon2]

Not sure how this would work, neither the Confederate States or the Articles of Conefederation did not provide for a single unified military and you have a step below that. Prosperous Unification's flavor indicates a heavy level of centralization, and that's the standard origin. How do you represent the idea that your empire is a losely aligned number of independent states that in the case of your free states centralization does not consist of a single governing body, more like how the marauders draw straws to see who has to talk to you.

That is because you are seeing the empire (or civilziation) as one state. Im my vision, your empire not necessary is only one state, but the political organization that represent the states of your civilization. About the military, the military as well dont need to be seen as unified military so in the case of centralizations, some centralizations may have differences bonus and penalties for military power. Per example, confederations may gain war exaustion easily than federations and one state centralizations, because the military of the confederation is not a unified military force, but a bunch of many states military.

 

[GOLANX]

That is because you are seeing the empire (or civilziation) as one state. Im my vision, your empire not necessary is only one state, but the political organization that represent the states of your civilization. About the military, the military as well dont need to be seen as unified military so in the case of centralizations, some centralizations may have differences bonus and penalties for military power. Per example, confederations may gain war exaustion easily than federations and one state centralizations, because the military of the confederation is not a unified military force, but a bunch of many states military.

Why would your multi-state civilization have only one military? Why would the answer to a single authority. Take modern day earth and toss it into stellaris is the vibe I'm getting, The US, Russia, China, Japan, The EU and Elon Musk are just not going to cooperate in providing a unified front. War between these states is still somewhat likely, which state gets to choose which planets to colonize? If the Chinese take a colony to themselves are they actually rebelling or is that just the Chinese Colony? Your suggesting that you can achieve this flavor with simple modifiers but what this is would be multiple different empires starting in the same systems. How much control do you have over the Chinese navy? How much control do you have over the US navy,? Presumably you have full control over the "federation fleet" but why in the hell would the US and China give you the power and authority to use their ships? The GC is based on the UN, now imagine the GC needed every vote to be unanimous including the Fanatic Purifiers. Nothing would ever get done, but that's how the UN is designed, it's a poor substitute for an authority. The current UN secretary General is Portuguese, there is no way in hell the leader of the UN would be Portuguese if it had actual value.

Back to my confederacy example, troops from the Georgia Infantry were not allowed in South Carolina or Alabama, they literally had to wait for Union forces to Enter Georgia in order to able to fight. So why would an interstellar confederacy have a single military that can cross state lines?

So no modifiers don't quite show a decentralized empire. They show maybe an empire with a weak central government, but not a multi-state empire.