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Regardless, the sniper elite thingy was banned, so the level of likeness is not the issue.

I bought the steam version. Completely uncensored (in the English version). Might technically be illegal, yes. *shrug*

About the Hitler DLC: It was never reviewed by the USK because it is not a full game and so never got banned.

Edit: This is wrong. The DLC was reviewed and got a 18 rating, which is even more surprising and shows that some games show hitler legaly in germany and can be sold.

HOI 3 is censored here in Germany!!! I could only buy the censored version of HOI3 here, where he was "Allo Lidd" (i have both the steam and the dvd version). If someone sold you an uncensored version, then the store might either committed a crime (if this copy would usually be illegal) or not (if he didn't know about the illegality)

Edit: A already discussed this matter with a friend of mine, who is D.A. (District Attorney). He shares my opinion in this...

My german HOI3 game is from steam and it is not censored.
I made this screenshot 5 minutes ago (no mods):

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Yep! Welcome to democracy...

... needs to be stomped out fist thing when HOI4 comes out? I agree. :D

Seriously though, yes. Recently I have come to appreciate that we (Germany) got a pretty good thing going in that department, if only by comparison.

About the Hitler DLC: It was never reviewed by the USK because it is not a full game and so never got banned.

My german HOI3 game is from steam and it is not censored.
I made this screenshot 5 minutes ago:

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http://www.usk.de/titelsuche/titelsuche/?tx_uskdb_list[action]=search&tx_uskdb_list[controller]=Title&cHash=c88f86b2b231b3fbf76fa8f7c3e3b73d

As to the screenshot. That surprises me greatly. Don't know what to tell you bro.
Not to say I don't believe you, but you are 100% sure that you don't have a mod installed or nothing?
 

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Auch das Kopfbild Adolf Hitlers stellt ein verfassungswidriges Kennzeichen im Sinne des § 86a StGB dar. Dabei kommt es nicht darauf an, ob Hitler als Führer der NSDAP, als Reichskanzler oder als Staatsoberhaupt dargestellt wird. Es ist ferner unerheblich, ob auf der Abbildung zusätzlich ein Hakenkreuz, das Hauptkennzeichen der NSDAP oder ein zum „Deutschen Gruß” erhobener Arm zu sehen sind.

OLG München 4 St RR 142/06 (verdict from 2007)

Translated: Showing Hitler's portrait is a legal issue.

Just like i say about the whole day...jeez
 
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HOI 3 is censored here in Germany!!! I could only buy the censored version of HOI3 here, where he was "Allo Lidd" (i have both the steam and the dvd version). If someone sold you an uncensored version, then the store might either committed a crime (if this copy would usually be illegal) or not (if he didn't know about the illegality)

Edit: A already discussed this matter with a friend of mine, who is D.A. (District Attorney). He shares my opinion in this...

Just downloaded it. You can try it yourselfe. Delete your copy in steam and rightclick it and go in properties to language. Set it to German and and download it.
 
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Folks, you know you're not in disagreement right?

MDW, no one is disputing the legal situation.
HAWK, yes, I believe you that that's happening if you tell us so.

These two statements are not contradictory. One is a statement about IS the other about OUGHT.
 
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As I said, we don't have a different viewpoints on the legal situation. Just different value judgements of said situation.

Even if we all would have your opinion, politics won't change soon. If you live in Germany - which i guess -, you know, that media and politics got several problems with certain computer games ("Counterstrike makes you a killer", "WoW players are mentally ill" and so on)
 
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Just downloaded it. You can try it yourselfe. Delete your copy in steam and rightclick it and go in properties to language. Set it to german and and download it.

murder is forbidden too, and still people get killed in Germany...;) it is what it is. I don't know, why you can get the games, but you might have a problem as a distributor, if the authorities banned the game because of hitler and so on...
 
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Even if we all would have your opinion, politics won't change soon. If you live in Germany - which i guess -, you know, that media and politics got several problems with certain computer games ("Counterstrike makes you a killer", "WoW players are mentally ill" and so on)

Ugh don't remind me. Yes, our political and media discourse on the matter is completely anachronistic and wholly unfettered by facts.
 
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Ugh don't remind me. Yes, our political and media discourse on the matter is completely anachronistic and wholly unfettered by facts.

Do you remember how the show "Explosiv" on RTL went to gamescom and only filmed the worst geeks, just to show, how sick gamers are? That was unbelievable...

Edit: And i am a strategy gamer with my whole heart, got a girlfriend (who rolls with her eyes, when i'm in the forum), studied law, have a social life and so on...sometimes the society here is weird...
 
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mdw1985 your mindset is that of 5-10 years ago, a lot has changed with the usk and whats allowed and not in videogames.
In most of the cases developers just censor the game without any need to just make sure they won't face troubles
 
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mdw1985 your mindset is that of 5-10 years ago, a lot has changed with the usk and whats allowed and not in videogames.
In most of the cases developers just censor the game without any need to just make sure they won't face troubles

That is exactly what I am afraid of. I hope Paradox does not choose this path.
 
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mdw1985 your mindset is that of 5-10 years ago, a lot has changed with the usk and whats allowed and not in videogames.
In most of the cases developers just censor the game without any need to just make sure they won't face troubles

Can you name me one decision from the jurisdiction, which thinks otherwise?
 

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Do you remember how the show "Explosiv" on RTL went to gamescom and only filmed the worst geeks, just to show, how sick gamers are? That was unbelievable...

I don't. But it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Jurnalizm these days...
 

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The world seems to be too afraid of the revival of German militarism. Personally I don't think that these sort of restrictions are appropriate for one of the most advanced countries. The state should have enough confidence in its citizens,so that they are allowed to decide what is right and wrong. The swastika is an ancient european and asiatic symbol. India is full of them.
 
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#nuclear power
The dev was obviously referring to the opportunistic ban on nuclear power in Germany as a populist reaction to Fukushima. That doesn't mean that the atomic bomb will be censored in HoI4. :D

#portraits
It should be an easy modding job. If for some reason I wouldn't be able to have the correct German leadership in HoI4, I wouldn't buy the game.
The irony is that the Hitler portrait is probably a tad too "sexy" for the censors. An old, ailing Hitler might have been okay. The logic behind the censorship is to prevent customers from turning full nazi due to playing the game. You never turn full nazi with an uncool Hitler portrait. A big, strong, sexy Hitler on the other hand... boy that could lead some impressionable lads to turn full nazi.
 
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In the World War Wednesday from 17.12.2015 at the time 22:50 - 23:40 they say that the portrait of Hitler and nuclear power are not allowed in Germany.

http://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive/v/30241329

That is not true. Only swastikas and SS symbols are not allowed.
There are a lot of games in Germany that show Hitler like Sniper Elite and even HOI3.
Why should nuclear power be also not allowed?

I know the anime picture is a placeholder but with what will it be replaced if Hitler gets removed?

HOI3 had all of this and I can buy it on the German steam store.
Please don't censor what doesn't need to be censored by law in Germany.

The thing is so absurd and of bad taste, that I thought that was simply the old good trolling of the devs.
 
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