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Hello, I just wanted to know if there will be two german versions of the game. There are at least 5 german states in the world (Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Luxembourg and Liechtenstein) and not all of them have the german censoreship laws. I am living in Austria and often we have to buy the censored Version of most computergames. I heard that in the german version of hearts of iron 4 there will be other graphics. Is that true?
 
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All previously released HOI versions have taken a safety first approach with regards to the laws in question. There has been one, definitely compliant, version. That version has been used for all markets.
 

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Hello, I just wanted to know if there will be two german versions of the game. There are at least 5 german states in the world (Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Luxembourg and Liechtenstein) and not all of them have the german censoreship laws. I am living in Austria and often we have to buy the censored Version of most computergames. I heard that in the german version of hearts of iron 4 there will be other graphics. Is that true?
you could simply buy the international version instead if you really want the uncensored version. It is perfectly legal to do so, since games or version of games on the index are only not allowed to be advertised, but can be aquired by adults perfectly legal. Especially since, as you said, those laws may not affect you there is absolutly no problem with that.
 
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Thanks for your responses.
@LordOfWar16 you could simply buy the international version instead
So I have to buy it on Amazon, right?
@Peter Wass There has been one, definitely compliant, version.
Thanks, I have to see how to get it.
 

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Thanks for your responses.
@LordOfWar16 you could simply buy the international version instead
So I have to buy it on Amazon, right?
@Peter Wass There has been one, definitely compliant, version.
Thanks, I have to see how to get it.

Steam also sells the international version of most games, at least it does where I live. You should check if it's the same there.

EDIT: NVM, steam version will be also censored in Germany.
 
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Didn't we all get the censored version of hoi3? What else is censored other than the flag? I live in the states and had a gamersgate version AND steam version and they both had the other flag.
 

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All versions of the game include all seven languages.

Versions sold in USK territory will be censored ( and that includes through steam etc )
 
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Didn't we all get the censored version of hoi3? What else is censored other than the flag? I live in the states and had a gamersgate version AND steam version and they both had the other flag.
No Hearts of Iron includes swastikas in any version. They always had the Black, White, Red striped flag. In HoI IV they opted for the german Warflag with slight modifications, i.e the swastika being replaced by the balkenkreuz.

Thanks for your responses.
@LordOfWar16 you could simply buy the international version instead
So I have to buy it on Amazon, right?
@Peter Wass There has been one, definitely compliant, version.
Thanks, I have to see how to get it.
If you live in Austria you will get the international version of the game. Only the USK version will be censored, i.e the German(y) version.

I think Germans had "Hutler" or something silly like that

I am german but i got the uncensored version on steam, i did buy it from an retailer tho, so i can't say for certain. In the censored version Adolf Hitler is called Adolfo Hiller if i recall correctly.
 
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All versions of the game include all seven languages.

Versions sold in USK territory will be censored ( and that includes through steam etc )

What is USK territory? I live in Switzerland, so that information is relevant to me since I would like to avoid the censored version. Thanks.
 
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I take it that the censor is not that much Hitler's name and the flag and such, ( easy fixed ) but if someone did fix the censored bits for the German version of the game for those that can't what way does that work in Germany.
 

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@Johan Versions sold in USK territory will be censored ( and that includes through steam etc )
Thank you

@Blackwolfpt What is USK territory?
USK = Unterhaltungssoftware Selbstkontrolle (for all non german speakers: Entertainmentsoftware Selfcontrol) It's the area where they censore everything.

@LordOfWar16 No Hearts of Iron includes swastikas in any version
That's not the Problem. I can easily modifie that. I just don't want to see Arolfius Hutler with a Manga portrait instead of Hitler

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@Aodhan_ I take it that the censor is not that much Hitler's name and the flag and such, ( easy fixed )
I know that I can eaasily fix that but when there is another portrai (ecpecially with many Ministers) then it is nearly impossible to get the graphics.
 
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Don't give in and censor the game. If Germans won't buy it because Hitler is there then don't sell it in Germany. Absurd law for an oversensitive group of people. They want to be super progressive and liberal and overwrite their past. Now they are suffering the consequences with the migrant crisis.
 
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@Metz Don't give in and censor the game. If Germans won't buy it because Hitler is there then don't sell it in Germany.
I want Hitler in the game. That's why i don't want the censored version

@Metz They want to be super progressive and liberal and overwrite their past.
I want the opposite. I am proud of my whole history and I don't want to be "progressive" as it is degenerate. (I hope I don't start a political discussion by saying that)

Well, I got my answer. Thank you all for answering. I apreciate that.
 
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Don't give in and censor the game. If Germans won't buy it because Hitler is there then don't sell it in Germany. Absurd law for an oversensitive group of people. They want to be super progressive and liberal and overwrite their past. Now they are suffering the consequences with the migrant crisis.
because skipping one of the biggest markets makes actually sense yay
 
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@Metz Now they are suffering the consequences with the migrant crisis.
Unfortunately yes ;(

Anyways. Do you think it would be a good idea if one of us makes a mod where all unfortunate germans can uncensore their version? I would do it.
 
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Don't give in and censor the game. If Germans won't buy it because Hitler is there then don't sell it in Germany. Absurd law for an oversensitive group of people. They want to be super progressive and liberal and overwrite their past. Now they are suffering the consequences with the migrant crisis.

First, you can't assume that Germans won't buy it because there is a law which prohibits endorsement of Nazi ideology by showing of symbols associated with them. The law doesn't exist because Germans are oversensitive. It is a consequence from the events in the Nazi time. Depicting the associated symbols is therefore only allowed in special circumstances (movies showing the Nazi era, history education, etc.). The names are not censored.

Second, you can't assume a general consensus regarding what Germans want ("they want to be super progressive and liberal and overwrite their past"). There are various opinions on this matter. Some simply want to forget the entire thing while others say that we must never forget what happened to be able to prevent such things in the future. The Nazi time is part of German history, no doubt. But it is nothing you can be proud of.

Third, it is not a migrant crisis. People fleeing war and sudden death are refugees and not migrants. Furthermore the problem is not a progressive society. The problem (among other things) is the ignorance over the last years towards the events in the Syrian region and a catastrophic outer policy of many 'western' countries. The solution can't be to shutdown the borders and build walls but rather to take responsibility for the devastating effects the policy of the last years had.

I don't see a problem in having darkened faces for the major Nazi people and a different flag (which is also a historical flag) being used in the German censored version. That doesn't reduce my gaming experience. Quite the opposite, I don't want to see Hitlers face or the svastika every time I play. I've seen both on many occasions in movies, historical material, etc. There would be a problem if gameplay would be censored but that won't be the case for this game.
 
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Don't give in and censor the game. If Germans won't buy it because Hitler is there then don't sell it in Germany. Absurd law for an oversensitive group of people. They want to be super progressive and liberal and overwrite their past. Now they are suffering the consequences with the migrant crisis.

Throwing away a large market like Germany just "to show them" is not a sensible decision.
That's the german law, and if Pdx wants to do business in Germany, they must comply.
 
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There is gonna be a mod for that within less than 48 hours, I guarantee it. I don't think I will bother personally though - I think the replacement art is well done and fitting enough to not break immersion. Replacing his name with "Aderp Holler" would be distasteful and unfitting though and there is no basis in German law for doing it.
 
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