Celestial Empire mechanics confusion

[Homusubi]

Is the trigger for the negative side-effects for having factions enabled "tag = MNG", or "government = celestial_empire"? That is, if I made another tag which had the same government type, would it be madly overpowered?

 

[GabbyDieJaeger]

As a westernized Ming will no longer have them, I suspect it's tied to the government type. I'm not 100% sure, however.

 

[rayyuri]

Factions are separate codes.
Currently the Inward Perfection debuff is related with factions (if you have factions, you will have Inward Perfection)

 

[Homusubi]

So if I change, I'm not sure, Ryukyu to be a Celestial Empire, it will also get Inward Perfection?

 

[uishax]

So if I change, I'm not sure, Ryukyu to be a Celestial Empire, it will also get Inward Perfection?

No, because they are not Ming.
Celestial is probably superior to all monarchies until absolute monarchy if not for the inward perfection tie-in.

 

[Homusubi]

OK. Where in the game files does it say that only Ming gets inward perfection?

 

[DDRJake]

OK. Where in the game files does it say that only Ming gets inward perfection?

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\Europa Universalis IV\common\triggered_modifiers

##################################################
# Chinese Bureaucracy
##################################################

chinese_bureaucracy = {
	potential = {
		OR = { 
			tag = MNG
			has_factions = yes
		}
	}
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			has_faction = temples
			has_faction = bureaucrats
			has_faction = enuchs
		}
	}
	
	#Temple negates these..
	discipline = -0.25
	land_forcelimit_modifier = -0.5
	manpower_recovery_speed = -0.5
	core_creation = 1.0
	unjustified_demands = 0.5
	
	#Eunuchs
	global_trade_power = -0.50
	diplomatic_upkeep = -4
	global_trade_income_modifier = -0.5
	technology_cost = 0.5
	merchants = -1
	advisor_cost = 1.0
	
	#Bureaucrats	
	build_cost = 1.0
	global_tax_modifier = -0.5
	stability_cost_modifier = 0.5
	advisor_pool = -1
	heir_chance = -0.5
	religious_unity = -0.25
}

the_mandate_of_heaven = {
	potential = {
		tag = MNG
		is_westernising = no
		NOT = { technology_group = western }
	}
	trigger = {
		has_factions = yes
		num_of_cities = 20
	}
	
	trigger = {	
		stability = 0
		legitimacy = 60
		num_of_cities = 20
		is_westernising = no
	}

	stability_cost_modifier = -0.10
	global_revolt_risk = -5
	#icon = 3
}

the_mandate_of_heaven_lost = {
	potential = {
		tag = MNG
		has_factions = yes
		is_westernising = no
		NOT = { technology_group = western }
	}

	trigger = {
		NOT = {
			has_country_modifier = the_mandate_of_heaven
		}
	}

	stability_cost_modifier = 0.5
	global_tax_modifier = -0.5
	global_revolt_risk = 5
	#icon = 4
}

 

[Homusubi]

Thanks! (I had a feeling you'd know, seeing as it was the basis for Minghals...)

 

[TheMeInTeam]

No, because they are not Ming.
Celestial is probably superior to all monarchies until absolute monarchy if not for the inward perfection tie-in.

Superior to horde?

I think not.

You could make a case for shogunate too haha.

 

[Homusubi]

Superior to horde?

I think not.

You could make a case for shogunate too haha.

Has anyone wilfully stayed as Shogunate, then aggro-vassalised someone, released a much friendlier vassal right next to them, and watching the less friendly vassal get eaten?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Has anyone wilfully stayed as Shogunate, then aggro-vassalised someone, released a much friendlier vassal right next to them, and watching the less friendly vassal get eaten?

I've stayed shogunate on purpose but not too far into the late game, mostly because I didn't realize the fake difficulty associated with some of Japan's flavor events. The worst is the western trade one. I have one game I've been meaning to finish where I westernized before I got it, which is great. If you do get it and don't have the legitimacy, the "Japan is united" decision is one of the few outs possible and IMO should be saved for exactly that purpose.

 

[Homusubi]

The Namban Boeki event fires after taking the "Japan is united" decision as well. The only guaranteed Namban remover is the Enforce Sakoku Law decision.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

The Namban Boeki event fires after taking the "Japan is united" decision as well. The only guaranteed Namban remover is the Enforce Sakoku Law decision.

That's my point though. If you save "Japan is united", you can instantly get maxed legitimacy on command, essentially removing the random element from being able to take that decision. If you manage to westernize before that event fires (it's possible), then that event can't fire regardless.