ceding provinces to the emperor...

[unmerged(170957)]

this has probably been asked before but i find it so annoying that i have to ask.

I was playing as france and i was at war with the HRE. I win the war and i take some HRe provinces that border me. I forgot to remove them from the empire and they aren't cores. Then the Emperor ask me to cede them to him, i say no. and this is what annoys me: i get a stability hit.

Is it meant to be like that? it makes sense if i'm a member but i'm not. I mean, I was AT WAR with the emperor a minute ago and my people and nobility (and what else stability is supposed to represent) gets upset that i don't want to cede the provinces i won back to him?

 

[grommile]

Since there's an easy-to-use mechanism for removing them from the Empire, you're basically complaining about your own sloppiness

 

[fridabina]

It's still pretty annoying. I can't seem to remember but does Heathens get the event as well? and if they do, do they get stability drops for refusing? Because that would just be stupid.

 

[unmerged(170957)]

Since there's an easy-to-use mechanism for removing them from the Empire, you're basically complaining about your own sloppiness

that man could be used for other things, such as building workshops.

EDIT: my point is, it isn't free

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Well, if you don't want to risk the Emperor demanding that land that legally is not yours (!) is returned to him for him to either set free under a new HRE Prince, or to give back to the legally owning state then you have to make that choice to not use your first magistrate you get to build something.

Alternatively if you can absorb the stability hit and basically raise two fingers to the Emperor by keeping the land - and get away with it - then go for it!

 

[unmerged(272142)]

I don't think it should be a Stab hit for non-HRE members, as I don't see that making a ton of sense. Keep the Stab hit for HRE members but, I dunno, relations hit with all of the HRE for non-members, maybe?

 

[grommile]

I don't think it should be a Stab hit for non-HRE members, as I don't see that making a ton of sense. Keep the Stab hit for HRE members but, I dunno, relations hit with all of the HRE for non-members, maybe?

Why would someone willing to take HRE territory in the first place care? They probably want low relations with HRE members, so that they can DoW without a stab hit without having to burn diplomats on insults.

 

[CSARebel]

Since there's an easy-to-use mechanism for removing them from the Empire, you're basically complaining about your own sloppiness

Not even close to being correct. He is complaining about an event that doesn't make sense. The stab hit for non HRE members should only occur if the province is given back. Motivating the "powers that be" (citizens,nobility, clergy, ect...) of a nation to fight a war, only to give back what was won, would lead to feelings of "what was the war for". resulting in a crisis of confidence in the leadership of the nation. A classic example of what a stab hit represents.

 

[DDRJake]

I always saw the stability hit being the result of turmoil caused by the residents in the HRE province you've just captured, following the news that they are being ripped away from the empire.

 

[CSARebel]

I always saw the stability hit being the result of turmoil caused by the residents in the HRE province you've just captured, following the news that they are being ripped away from the empire.

That can be a way of justifying it but still...why not have it whenever any province is taken from anyone. Besides turmoil in a recently annexed province hardly destabilizes a whole nation (in some cases it can, but not in this case)

My guess is that the event was suppose to be for HRE members, since they look to the HRE as a "higher" authority. I expect that Paradox will fix this in a patch.

 

[gela1212]

Umm, the province itself already gets the "Unlawful Territory" modifier. The stab hit, supposedly, is because you are opposing the mighty Emperor, apparently. It shouldn't give you a stab hit if you have more soldiers or something.. I'm not quite sure. Perhaps removing the hit, reversing the prestige hit, and severely increasing the power of the modifier would make it more realistic.

 

[Jens Z]

What prerequirements needs to be given to get the provincial decision for taking a HRE province out of the Empire? In my current game the decision doesnt appear.

Amount of Magistrates?
Relation to the Empire?
Player Capital must not be part of the Empire?
Province must not be surrounded by Empire provinces (thus only at the Empire border)?
Culture?
...

 

[Chronicler]

this has probably been asked before but i find it so annoying that i have to ask.

I was playing as france and i was at war with the HRE. I win the war and i take some HRe provinces that border me. I forgot to remove them from the empire and they aren't cores. Then the Emperor ask me to cede them to him, i say no. and this is what annoys me: i get a stability hit.

Is it meant to be like that? it makes sense if i'm a member but i'm not. I mean, I was AT WAR with the emperor a minute ago and my people and nobility (and what else stability is supposed to represent) gets upset that i don't want to cede the provinces i won back to him?

Better to join the HRE

 

[slaneesh]

What prerequirements needs to be given to get the provincial decision for taking a HRE province out of the Empire? In my current game the decision doesnt appear.

Amount of Magistrates?
Relation to the Empire?
Player Capital must not be part of the Empire?
Province must not be surrounded by Empire provinces (thus only at the Empire border)?
Culture?
...

What? Ive always had it. I though the only req is you are not a member and you have a member province?

 

[gela1212]

Your national focus needs to border the provinces you wish to take out, apparently.

 

[Dustman]

It's still pretty annoying. I can't seem to remember but does Heathens get the event as well? and if they do, do they get stability drops for refusing? Because that would just be stupid.

I think I had this event as GH while playing using May's beta.

 

[Atlanteax]

What prerequirements needs to be given to get the provincial decision for taking a HRE province out of the Empire? In my current game the decision doesnt appear.

Amount of Magistrates?
Relation to the Empire?
Player Capital must not be part of the Empire?
Province must not be surrounded by Empire provinces (thus only at the Empire border)?
Culture?
...

You need at least 1 magistrate and need to be below 0 relations with the current HRE

 

[gela1212]

I think I had this event as GH while playing using May's beta.

Owch. A stab and prestige hit as the GH must've hurt. Did you cede it and just recapture it later?