I think taht Ottoman Empire shouldn't have CB on Corfu, and Cyprus. Ottoman should have CB on Aden land. You forgot Sinai.
That is just my 2 cents.
That is just my 2 cents.
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Well, ok
Ok, I agree on the Corfu issue, but I think they should keep their CB on Cyprus - as Greece and Turkey are still fighting over Cyprus today - and since the Turks have fought over it for centuries it seems. LOL, hell, it even appears in Othello.
Ok, I agree on the Corfu issue, but I think they should keep their CB on Cyprus - as Greece and Turkey are still fighting over Cyprus today - and since the Turks have fought over it for centuries it seems. LOL, hell, it even appears in Othello.
Maybe because Ottoman have the shield on Mecca, and Medina. I seem to remeber that Turkey controlled all of the western Arabia down to Aden. Maybe I am wrong?
AFAIK Ottoman Empire controled what is known in EU2 as The Hedjaz, including Medina and Mecca.
However, I think Aden remained independent and later in the 19th century became a British protectorate/puppet state/whatever.
Can someone with a little more knowledge on the region than me clarify the issue?
However, I think Aden remained independent and later in the 19th century became a British protectorate/puppet state/whatever.
Can someone with a little more knowledge on the region than me clarify the issue?
Aden became a British protectorate during the timeframe of AoN (unfortunately can't recall the exact date right now) but an Ottoman CB shield on the province might be in order. "Yemen (Aden) - Hedjaz front" was one of the theaters where Ottoman forces unsuccessfully fought the British after all.
I was under the impression that the Ottomans eventually conquered the northernmost province of Aden.
What period are you referring to Gen. Wolfe? I'll look into it if it's 19th century, but I personally never heard of such a (offensive) military move on the peninsula so late in Ottoman history.
In that case, yes, the Ottomans ruled Aden from mid-16th century to 1839 when the region became a British protectorate. The Ottoman governor's seat was at Zabid.
Nice map Jaron... Though I sometimes wish Ottomans had the common sense to not expand that much
Originally posted by tuna
Nice map Jaron... Though I sometimes wish Ottomans had the common sense to not expand that much
aww...come on tuna. I mean - third rome, right?
Originally posted by Jaron
aww...come on tuna. I mean - third rome, right?
Nah, I'd rather see a neat Turkic state extending from Macedonia to the Caspian Sea and only to Antioch to the south. I really like the scenery in Georgia, so throw'em in as well
Until the late 17th century, pretty much all of it. After that, the province was more or less autonomous (or virtually independent under Ottoman pashas) until the arrival of the British. If you consider the distance between Aden and Constantinople and consider the fact that even some Anatolian pashas behaved as if they were independent, it'll become apparent how Yemen was lost so easily (ie. it had been lost for a long time)
Actually, the ottomans were in theory the head of state of the hole peninsula untill after the great war. But their power was strongly limited before the suez channel opened in 1869(dont remember the exact year). After that they effectively controlled the hole western coast, almost as far south as Aden. So they definatly should have casus belli shields on that second southermost province. Actually, i think they should have casus belli shield on Aden province as well, because they would probably have expanded further south if it had´nt been for the british (but there is no garantee that the british will seize Aden).
And about cypros they definalty should have casus belli shield. And the same for crete as the population here was about half moslem and half christian untill the greeks slaughtered the moslems shortly after the island came under greek autorities.
And about cypros they definalty should have casus belli shield. And the same for crete as the population here was about half moslem and half christian untill the greeks slaughtered the moslems shortly after the island came under greek autorities.
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Massacres did take place, and the rest of the Cretan Muslims were forced to leave the island. These people weren't outsiders, but Greek-speaking Muslims who had co-existed with their Christian brethren for centuries. Truly a sad episode in the history of the island.
My father's grandfather was a Muslim Cretan immigrant of Greek and Albanian lineage. Quite recently, there was a reunion of Muslim and Christian Cretans in Istanbul (considered "Turkish" and "Greek" respectively these days)