is there any difference between those 2 religions exept the pope being king vs duke tier?
catholic vs fraticelli
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Don't think so. Fraticelli is basically what you go when you want to holy war all the other Christians for fast expansion and still have access to all the juicy stuff like coronation, sainthood, crusaders etc that Catholicism has.
According to the wiki Catholicism gets Excommunication, College of Cardinals, Investiture, Antipope, Pilgrimage and CBs of Holy war, Crusades and Sanctioned Invasion. Fraticelli gets
Excommunication, College of Cardinals, Investiture, Antipope, Crusades, Pilgrimage and CBs "As Catholic". The wiki seems a bit inconsistent (Crusades as a mechanic for Fraticelli but a CB for Catholics), but the net efect seems to be that they are virtually the same.
You can read it here - https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Religion
Excommunication, College of Cardinals, Investiture, Antipope, Crusades, Pilgrimage and CBs "As Catholic". The wiki seems a bit inconsistent (Crusades as a mechanic for Fraticelli but a CB for Catholics), but the net efect seems to be that they are virtually the same.
You can read it here - https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Religion
Sainthood is a lot less easy to get with no monastic order though. They should add one that forms if Fraticelli manages to create their pope.
I think that holy orders and societies switch allegiance when their faith becomes a heresy and they switch to the new parent.
That sounds like it would be both complicated to implement and stupid. Do you propose that everyone in the guild instantly changes their religion with no choice? or that the newly converted guild keeps a membership who virtually all follow a religion it now considers a heresy? Neither option is even remotely satisfactory.
Much better to create new variant groups for heresies that could use them.
No, i do not propose this is how it works IRL nor do i propose that it should work like that ingame.
I say that I think this is how it works ingame.
I think that your solution is a good one
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It applies to holy orders when a heresy "takes over" yeah, but does it really go for societies as well?
Orthodox has its own monastic society, right? This way catholic/ orthodox could be made to have 3 of then if they used mending the schism
AFAIK they are virtually identical.
If Fraticelli manages to obtain mainstream status then they will be welcomed in the Benedictine order. The Dominican order will forever stay Catholic-only, though. Catholics will be welcome in the Benedictines whether they are mainstream or heretic, so if the Fraticelli become mainstream you will have a Benedictine order with Catholics and Fraticelli both.
The same applies if Cathars, Lollards, or Waldensians manage to achieve mainstream status.
The other Christian monastic societies work in the same way as the Benedictines vis-a-vis heresies of their own religion. There is no other society that works like the Dominicans.