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If there are so many examples, surely you can cite an example of a Christian faith adopting literal cannibalism?

Because I certainly can't, despite all the wacky and crazy Christian sects over the centuries.
I can't with certainty, though there are plenty that were accused of it. It is generally accepted that those accusations were just propaganda by mainline clergy. I'm just saying that in an alternate history, the elements are there to make a credible case just as credible cases were made for many "crazy" beliefs in our history.
 
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bottom line is that Paradox and its fans have a lot of fun mocking Catholicism and not other faiths, where they tiptoe to not offend anyone. this has happened with CK as well as the EU games now and it's pretty obnoxious
 
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bottom line is that Paradox and its fans have a lot of fun mocking Catholicism and not other faiths, where they tiptoe to not offend anyone. this has happened with CK as well as the EU games now and it's pretty obnoxious
Are they mocking it, or are you projecting that onto an unknown situation?

We know *nothing* about what that decision does, and it might make perfect sense with context added.

The "ritual cannibal" tenet isn't "mocking" Catholicism either. It's in place to allow for other religions to function correctly.
 
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bottom line is that Paradox and its fans have a lot of fun mocking Catholicism and not other faiths, where they tiptoe to not offend anyone. this has happened with CK as well as the EU games now and it's pretty obnoxious
I've not been very observant, what are you referring to?
 
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bottom line is that Paradox and its fans have a lot of fun mocking Catholicism and not other faiths, where they tiptoe to not offend anyone. this has happened with CK as well as the EU games now and it's pretty obnoxious

That's one thing that makes you guys better than many other faiths (for now) - you guys don't usually try to get us punished by authorities (for now) or murdered by extremists for it (for now). Be proud of it.
 
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considering this realistic and "just a consequence of transubstantiation" is idiotic considering that transubstantiation is the belief that the bread and wine become Christ's body and blood in terms of inward characteristics and not outward; they remain to have the appearance of bread and wine. Taking this literally to say "I guess cannibalism is ok then" doesn't make any sense and I really hope Paradox didn't include some "wacky decision" to make cannibalism accepted based off of communion

This is almost certainly a custom faith since Ritual Cannibalism is a tenet one can adopt in the game.

Ritual Cannibalism
The cannibal trait is no longer considered Criminal
makes Cannibal a virtue
Mankind is blessed to have been bestowed with the spark of the divine. Human flesh is therefore sacred, its presence something to be savored, not buried or burned.
 

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There are so many examples of new heresies/sects/denominations that just took more literal interpretations of scriptures and dogmas, I don't think it is really that ridiculous. Obviously there is some innate taboo against cannibalism across most cultures, but it is always for spiritual/religious reasons that some cultures partake in it. I don't see how the eucharist -> cannibalism is so much bigger of a leap than the dual gods of Gnostic beliefs or reincarnation in Catharism.
Some of the arguments against Luther, was that starting from Arius they all tried to read lopsided chapters of the Bible, and ignored previous church councils and so the will of the Holy spirit nestled in the bishops
 

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If there are so many examples, surely you can cite an example of a Christian faith adopting literal cannibalism?

Because I certainly can't, despite all the wacky and crazy Christian sects over the centuries.

He did not say it did happen, he said it easily could.

A possible rout could be that an already cannibalistic tribe adopts it and merge it with customs of their own culture. Like christians adopted pagan holidays and customs.
 
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Player choice baby. I think it will be hard as hell to do since it shies so far away from what the Catholic religion starting doctrines. That won't stop me from trying though.
 

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I'm sorry but every time I see this thread I can't help thinking its title's acronym would be CaCa...
(French and other latin languages' speakers will understand)
 
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bottom line is that Paradox and its fans have a lot of fun mocking Catholicism and not other faiths, where they tiptoe to not offend anyone. this has happened with CK as well as the EU games now and it's pretty obnoxious

Mocking christianity is easy because I grew up with it and know plenty of the storys. Often even better as true beliefers. I'm propably the only one who understands trinity in my whole extended family and 90% of them are catholics.

But as an extremist agnostic I really don't wanna read up other faiths anymore. It was fun as a kid tough.
 
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Its rather likely this was a custom faith with the tenet cannibalism IMO.
The King is shown to be Catholic (with the standard icon) earlier in the video.
Unless this is taken from a MP game where someone else had created the custom religion, I feel it is unlikely to be an actually created custom faith.
 
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He did not say it did happen, he said it easily could.
But it really couldn't.
The historical Christians who didn't understand it was symbolic thought it was just a communal ritual - and in fact, some historians of the antiquity think that it's how it originated (eating bread together as a form of bonding, by opposition with sacrificing meat to the emperor) and only later on it was interpreted according to the words of the christ.
In fact all variants of christianity clearly state that the human body is sacred and should be preserved. There are condamnation of cannibalism against all the people who practiced it, and all the people who were suspected of doing so, like steppe people (for example the Magyars in Regino's chronicles in the 9th century). Cannibalism in post-roman cultures is always perceived as against nature and something the worst pagans/barbarians do. There's zero chance cannibalism could have been a thing in the christian middle ages.

Accusing catholics of cannibalism only became a thing much later with the Reform (and then by psychoanalysts), and nowadays it's also a joke.
In Europe, accusations of various kinds of anthropophagy have been made against various groups through history, though it has nothing to do with them being christian or not. It's just a way to dehumanize enemies. It's also a reason why it's so hard to believe travelers of the Age of Discovery when they describe Amerindian tribes as cannibals - maybe it's just a way to show that they aren't completely human.

A lot of people on these forums are impregnated by protestant ways of thinking so I'm not surprised that so many of them think that catholic cannibalism could be considered a serious thing, but it's still a myth.

Which doesn't mean that I'm against a cannibal tenet in the game, but come on, it's clearly a joke.
 
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But it really couldn't.
The historical Christians who didn't understand it was symbolic thought it was just a communal ritual - and in fact, some historians of the antiquity think that it's how it originated (eating bread together as a form of bonding, by opposition with sacrificing meat to the emperor) and only later on it was interpreted according to the words of the christ.
In fact all variants of christianity clearly state that the human body is sacred and should be preserved. There are condamnation of cannibalism against all the people who practiced it, and all the people who were suspected of doing so, like steppe people (for example the Magyars in Regino's chronicles in the 9th century). Cannibalism in post-roman cultures is always perceived as against nature and something the worst pagans/barbarians do. There's zero chance cannibalism could have been a thing in the christian middle ages.

Accusing catholics of cannibalism only became a thing much later with the Reform (and then by psychoanalysts), and nowadays it's also a joke.
In Europe, accusations of various kinds of anthropophagy have been made against various groups through history, though it has nothing to do with them being christian or not. It's just a way to dehumanize enemies. It's also a reason why it's so hard to believe travelers of the Age of Discovery when they describe Amerindian tribes as cannibals - maybe it's just a way to show that they aren't completely human.

A lot of people on these forums are impregnated by protestant ways of thinking so I'm not surprised that so many of them think that catholic cannibalism could be considered a serious thing, but it's still a myth.

Which doesn't mean that I'm against a cannibal tenet in the game, but come on, it's clearly a joke.

Polygasism is also no thing in christianity but they took over the concept with saints. So in an alternatitve timeline with a huge canibalistic culture and realm taken over by christians just might invent something to make the transition vor the cannibalistic majority easier.
 

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It's discoveries like these that remind me why I don't attempt multiplayer.

For the record, the best explanation I can come up with is a theoretical sect of Catholicism that takes the sacrament extremely literally... but that would hardly make sense. Even if this were the case, the body of Christ is what's symbolized in the sacrament, not just the body of "some person".
 
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It's discoveries like these that remind me why I don't attempt multiplayer.

For the record, the best explanation I can come up with is a theoretical sect of Catholicism that takes the sacrament extremely literally... but that would hardly make sense. Even if this were the case, the body of Christ is what's symbolized in the sacrament, not just the body of "some person".
*Theoretically* it being "some person" is superceded by the statement that "whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do unto me".

*Theoretically*. But I strongly suspect this is a sect that would crusaded to death by every other christian everywhere.
 
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