Cathar & Lollard saints are not showing up on the saints list, this includes even when they are the "base religion", as in, they are the main religion and Catholicism has become the heresy. Please fix.
Cather & Lollard saints not showing up
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Not a tech support issue so moved to main forum. If the community agrees it's likely to be a bug, post in Bug Reports please.
Catharism, Lollardy, and Waldensism lack a religious head and it shouldn't be possible for them to have saints...
(Historically, the Cathars felt all of the "perfects", those who'd undergone their baptismal/consecrating rite, to be on what you could call a "saintly" level, but wouldn't be in favor of bloodlines because A) they intended everyone to be a Perfect and B) they considered reproducing/having descendants to be a sin. The Lollards considered praying to saints to be heretical and idolatrous. The Waldensians didn't, as far as I know, completely reject sainthood, but probably wouldn't consecrate any either.)
(Historically, the Cathars felt all of the "perfects", those who'd undergone their baptismal/consecrating rite, to be on what you could call a "saintly" level, but wouldn't be in favor of bloodlines because A) they intended everyone to be a Perfect and B) they considered reproducing/having descendants to be a sin. The Lollards considered praying to saints to be heretical and idolatrous. The Waldensians didn't, as far as I know, completely reject sainthood, but probably wouldn't consecrate any either.)
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Saints or not they get declared as being extraordinarily holy people. As such they should show up in the saints list. If they should be called something else, that's fine.
There is nobody who can declare these people "extraordinary holy people". Without a religious head there's no reason the entire faith should recognize anybody. The problem isn't what the title is it's that the concept doesn't fit the religion.
Well it's been happening non stop in my current game. So don't know what to tell you.
It's a good point though, I didn't even think about there not being a religious head to be the one declaring all these people saints
Sounds like they're being beatified, not canonized. Beatification happens right after death and is a necessary prerequisite to canonization, but doesn't get them on any saint list or give them a bloodline. In any case, only religions with a religious head can beatify someone, and if they were later canonized as a saint, they would appear on that religion's saint list, not a Cathar one or whatever, because Cathars can't have a saint list.
There is no religion head and people are being Beatified, yes this is what's happening you are correct but it's happening by random bishops with no religion head. Thanks for clearing up the saint thing I was really confused about the whole thing.