Catalonia / Aragorn question...

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Catalonia / Aragon question...

Currently i'm working on a Middle Ages scenario (1100-1400) and I've run into a problem.

I'm thinking about making Catalonia start united with Aragon, which happens around 1130 right?. I'd leave it alone but I don't like the fact that Catalonia has a chance to CANCEL vassalization if you attempt to annex them. I do have one question about Catalonia though. Before Catalonia was united with Aragon, they ruled Provence. So the question is, did the ownership of Provence transfer to Aragon when they absorbed Catalonia?

 

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Catalonia/Provance

Catalonia was reconquested by Charles the great in late 8th century. And was thereafter a vasall under the Frankish kings/emperors.

 

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Hello everybody:

I'm not exactly sure about the political status of those areas at the beginning of the time period you mark, but I'm certain that Provence was under some kind of aragonese suizerainty (I hope I didn't spell It wrongly) at the time of the Albigensian Crusade.
Maybe that was due to catalonian inheritance, but I'll check It.

BTW, It's Aragon (or even better, Aragón), not Aragorn. Better change It or Tolkien may get upset

Bye, The Larch

 

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I think Languedoc and Provence were lost after the battle of Murat in 1213, but I'm not sure.

 

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Originally posted by Fate
Currently i'm working on a Middle Ages scenario (1100-1400) and I've run into a problem.

I'm thinking about making Catalonia start united with Aragorn, which happens around 1130 right?. I'd leave it alone but I don't like the fact that Catalonia has a chance to CANCEL vassalization if you attempt to annex them. I do have one question about Catalonia though. Before Catalonia was united with Aragorn, they ruled Provence. So the question is, did the ownership of Provence transfer to Aragorn when they absorbed Catalonia?

It is difficult to speak of "absorbtion" in that case, since it is the wedding of Petronille, daughter of Ramirez (former monk !) and brother of Alfonso I king of Aragon (1104-1134) to Raymond Béranger IV, count of Barcelona (1131-1162). The Counts of Barcelona will then be kings of Aragon AND counts of Barcelona: this is why we usually speak of the "Countries of the Crown of Aragon" instead of the Kingdom of Aragon (and this is why I think you should leave a chance for one of the two "countries" to renounce the annexation. Raymond Béranger III of Barcelona (1096-1131) had obtained Provence through marriage as well in 1129.

Then Provence will be part of the Aragon crown, until it the death of Alfonso II, king of Aragon. Provence will be ruled by the youngest son of Alfonso II (1162-1196), who is also Alfonso II ! (because this time, the number applies to Provence, and since Alfonso II of Aragon was Alfonso I of Provence...ah ! The Middle Ages....). Raymond Béranger V, son of Alfonso II of Provence will inherit the county but will be "forced" to cede it to a son of the King of France, after the defeat of Aragon during the Albigeois Crusade. Beatrice, daughter of Raymond Béranger V will be married to Charles d'Anjou (Charles I), son of Louis VIII of France in 1246. Charles is also king od Naples.

There ! I hope it is understandable...

Regards,

Alexandre Dubé

 

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do you have site of that scenario???