Also, the Vandals had roughly the same amount of territory/area as Carthage about 500 years before the game. Perhaps a pagan Vandal Empire would work too then! Hooray!
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Carthage would be cool, like playing house of Westerex of Karling or some of the future powers of HRE like house of Welf. I'm obsessed with ERE cause of historical legacy and I also played one epic EU3
W game where I took that little 1 province Constantinople and went on arose from the ashes like a phoenix to go on a WC ( or world conquest + colonize spree is more accurate).Being able to recreate Israel would be another cool thing if we are doing Carthage, I guess you could just mob in Jewish culture/religion though.
The Vandals in Tunisia/Carthage were Arian Christian.
I do agree with the basic premise of renaming Tunisia to Carthage, considering Muslim rulers use dynastic titles and it's overwhelmingly likely that any Christian ruler will prefer the name Carthage over Tunisia because of it's legacy.
How about the Mughal Empire? I like them, it's a good enough reason for them to be in a game that doesn't have India in it and starts in 1066 /sarcasm
Were they? I recall reading "Convert or Die" when they were besieging Christians already in Tunisia.
They were Christians when they sacked Rome too. As Arian Christians they did have differences with the locals in North Africans who tended to be Catholics. The Vandals expelled a number of Catholic bishops and the like.
I quite like the idea, actually. If someone can send me (or upload here) a suitable coat of arms then I'll add Carthage to my mod as a Berber-specific titular empire.
It by the way is a bit counter intuitive but they settled in Carthage before they sacked Rome, the Vandals had quite a large fleet and already taken many islands in the Western Mediterranean. Sometimes it's imagined as a Barbarian horde plunging into Rome from the north, while they were quite organized and were invited to come by the Empress after the death of Valentinian III.
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It was under the Almohads (after 1159) that Tunis became the dominant city in "Tunisia" (prior to this the capital was Kairouan) although it did served as a vital naval base. So just like Carthage, Tunisia is a bit anachronistic at the beginning of CK2.
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Not really looking for some validation for it to exist however -- except for the fact that I'm going to conquer the same area, make it profitable and important and declare it my Empire of Carthage, especially as a Christian - to me Empire of Tunisia just doesn't have the right ring to it. If in fact I do hold several kingdoms should I not be able to declare am Empire?
It would probably help if Paradox gave either a EU:Rome expansion, or better yet, an EU: Rome II (that was actually fun to play!). Restoring the Roman Empire, a feat not attempted since Justinian in the sixth century, is at least somewhat plausible, and I welcomed it in this expansion. However, the notion of a Macedonian Empire is rather far-fetched, since the Macedonian territory is already a core part of Byzantium. The notion of a Carthaginian Empire is downright absurd for all the reasons outlined above. Why stop with Carthage if you are going to start calling for this? Let's look for Hittites and Sumerians as well!
darviathar, I for one would welcome such a mini-mod.
You could call it: In the Sumertime
*high five*
You could call it: In the Sumertime
*high five*
darviathar, I for one would welcome such a mini-mod.
You could call it: In the Sumertime
*high five*
Alright, everyone. You can abandon this thread now -- SoH has won it.
Move along people, nothing to see here.
Rereading I realize my comment can be read as chronologically out of order. I merely meant that the shared religion didn't stop them from attacking Holy See and it certainly wasn't going to prevent them from conquering Christians in North Africa.
I definitely like the idea of having maybe the Duchy of Tunis be called the Duchy of Carthage under Christians, because neither Tunis nor Carthage was really a dominant city at the time, and Christians would probably still identify it with Carthage. There's no real need for a Carthaginian Empire though, Carthage hadn't existed independently or as anything greater than a province or exarchate since antiquity. Even the Italians can't get an empire at the moment and they were actually around at the time!
Carthage itself is a ruin in this time period (its just north of Tunis). Its also doubtful that Christian Europe is going to use a name that's a throwback to a city famous for sacrificing babies (even recognising that it was a roman & christian city after that).
I was thinking along those lines as well, Carthage as an Empire or even a Kingdom is a bit preposterous although if I remember correctly there is a Vandal Carthage in the Mod Lux Invicta which I think will appeal to the maker of this topic.
I doubt it. Considering the obsession of Christian Europe with antiquity I think that a Christian ruler conquering the region would definitely try to claim some (though not all) of the history of Carthage. Tunis and especially Kairouan are cities which really became prominent after the Arabs invaded, Carthage is more of a throw-back to the Christian history of the region (Councils of Carthage, St. Augustine of Hippo).
if it's coat of arms that you want, why not use the one implemented by Europa Barbarorum?
the one they used for kart-hadast might be appropriate
the one they used for kart-hadast might be appropriate