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If China can get sufficient numbers of boots on the ground, they could drown the IJN in bodies. China simply won't run out of them. However, that landing could make things difficult, and I'm afraid that if Japan lands more troops in the south, China will be overstretched.
Still, I hope they can hold them off, it would be very interesting to see what kind of aid Axiss China can bring to the table.
 

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The Chinese situation is very interesting, but I still and more interested to see where peaceful, democractic Germany streaches to next.
 

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Very interesting update, and one turn of events I didn't expect for the Weimar Germany. From an alternative history aspect, it's interesting to see Germany ally with the Chinese against the Japanese, and see how the war would have gone not only against the Japanese, but the Communist as well.

Yep, I found the Chinese situation very interesting. Normally I see them collapse within a year...for them to be lasting (albeit with German aid) until '39 is...impressive.

I feel sorry forma Japan... Should they have directed theit attention southern they could have been a great Ally

Possibly. As it sits though, the Japanese AI kinda sucks this playthrough.

Great update, nice to see another a-historical but very plausible scenario.

I suppose it is doubtful as to whether the Chinese would be able to assist against the soviets

Glad you liked it :)

A unified China could really mess with the Soviets. That would be a mass of men and material hitting Siberia and Central Asia, would would distract the AI. At this rate though, China is going to be fighting Japan for at least another year unless something drastic changes.

This does put Japan at odds with the German Reich and could potential mean that the Japanese will be trying to appease the British and ally with them, just as in WW1. However, with Japanese ambitions tied up in China, an agreement will be unlikely. Historically, Japan began the campaign for the Pacific because of her need to get more resources to throw into China. Unless AI Japan is scripted not to DOW the USA for some reason, this whole thing might evolve into either a completely seperate war or into an odd situation where Japan is part of the Allies, bringing the USA, in the event of a DOW, into the Axis camp. :wacko:

I wonder how China will hold out once Germany has to cut Lend and Lease for the sake of increasing their own military power and also how much the Chinese can do with the help they already received. Will they be able to eleminate that bridgehead?

That made my head hurt :p

In all seriousness though, the Japanese are drifting towards the Allies at the moment, due in large part to my refusal it influence them. I could also tag-switch to the Brits and have them influence them as an in-story way of saying Japan is trying to reaffirm the Anglo-Japanese Alliance though.

While I forgot a screenshot, China has in fact retaken Shanghai. Barring another amphibious landing, its just the Yellow River Line seeing combat at the moment.

If China can get sufficient numbers of boots on the ground, they could drown the IJN in bodies. China simply won't run out of them. However, that landing could make things difficult, and I'm afraid that if Japan lands more troops in the south, China will be overstretched.
Still, I hope they can hold them off, it would be very interesting to see what kind of aid Axiss China can bring to the table.

It would be interesting, which is why I'm hoping China can pull this off. I've certainly never seen AI China knock AI Japan out.

The Chinese situation is very interesting, but I still and more interested to see where peaceful, democractic Germany streaches to next.

You'll see that in the next update ;)

Which should hopefully be tomorrow, if all goes well.
 

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It'd be even more interesting to get the Japanese into the Communist camp. That'd mean the Commies suddenly got quite a fleet out of thin air! :D

RP wise, short of a miracle, that'd be impossible, though.
 

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6. Danzig

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If there was any one territory that Germany truly could claim as their own, it was the city of Danzig. Called Gdansk by its Polish owners, the city had been taken from Weimar along with the 'Danzig Corridor'. A strip of German territory given to the Second Polish Republic, largely to provide the new nation with access to the sea. An admirable goal, but one that left the German government in a bind. Nationalists on both sides of the political spectrum were calling for the return of the city. It's population was mostly German, and as such shouldn't it return to the Fatherland, much as the Sudetenland had?

In addition, the territory of Danzig and Gydnia split Prussia in two. What remained of Western Prussia, a large portion of its territory absorbed by Poland, and East Prussia. This was a situation that most Germans were unhappy with. It had been Prussia that unified their nation in the first place, and it had been Prussia hit the hardest by Versailles. Split in half, and a large portion of its territory given to Poland. What remained, specifically East Prussia, was left isolated on all sides. If a war were to break out, the Prussians would suffer the most if something were not done to help them.

And it was that fact that brings us back to Danzig. The Reich had been pushing for years to build a train line through the Corridor to East Prussia. This would be controlled by the German government, and provide it a safe and secure way to supply its detached enclave. The Poles had stubbornly refused any deals however, including a possible referendum in Danzig herself.

While the Weimar Coalition wanted to avoid wars, it was quickly becoming obvious that something had to snap. Either the Polish refusals, or Germany's population.

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The Generals at least realized this, as they ordered a mobilization of the forces in both West and East Prussia. Reserves were called up, as rifles and other supplies flowed to the border. Understandably, this was seen as a rather threatening move. Weimar had never once mobilized the new Reichsheer. Now that it was being mobilized, it was quickly becoming apparent that even the SPD cuts had done little to blunt the military. While it was not quite at the levels of the old Imperial Army...

The Reichsheer was still a force to be reckoned with.

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The smaller Polish Army mobilized their own reserves the moment it became apparent that Germany was doing so. However, it was debatable how much good that could actually do. The Polish forces were smaller than their German counterparts, and in various ways, obsolete. The famed Polish cavalry was not going to serve much use against Panzer III and IVs. Not to mention that the Polish Armored forces were small.

There was little doubt about their fighting spirit, but if war broke out...there was little they could do to hold Germany back.

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And war was looking increasingly likely as the standoff continued. The defacto leader of Poland, Marshal Rydz-Smigly, was pushing hard against any attempts by Weimar to negotiate a peaceful solution. Poland had become little more than a dictatorship pretending to be a Republic under the Marshal's leadership, and a fiercely nationalist one at that. Even more so than the far-Right German parties, to a certain extent. It was said in Polish governmental circles that they would 'not cede an inch of Polish soil' to the Germans. And the Second Polish Republic considered Gdansk and its corridor as rightful Polish land.

Convincing them to give it up with diplomacy was hitting dead end after dead end. No matter if Weimar offered to pay for the land. No matter if they offered to give up their claims on West Prussia in favor of gaining Danzig. No matter if the Coalition offered special privileges for Polish shipping. The Poles refused to give even one inch on their claims.

With the hardliners in Germany pushing for a reunification at any cost, there was little the Weimar leadership could do.

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War was going to come back to Europe. If Poland would not give Danzig back peacefully, it would be taken back by force. No matter how reluctant the Weimar Coalition may have been to go to war. They could not risk Germany tearing itself apart as the hardliners pushed for Danzig's return. Matters came to a head...and Germany snapped before Poland.

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And the World would never be the same...
 

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Did the event for Danzig fire? And at which date did the Weimar Republic declare war on Poland? Was Poland guaranteed by the British already?
 

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Did the event for Danzig fire? And at which date did the Weimar Republic declare war on Poland? Was Poland guaranteed by the British already?

In order:

No, it needed First Vienna Award to be available.

September 1st, 1939 (what, I couldn't resist)

Nope, also needed First Vienna.
 

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I wonder if that already is enough to get the Allies into the war against you. That'd depend on how quickly you can defeat Poland and how many units you have built.
 

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They'll end up at war with the British at some point regardless, due to threat. At least knocking out Poland separatly means France can be hit even quicker once war is declared, which is nice.

Nice update!
 

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Will take all the land once Prussia owned and leave Poland as a puppet?

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So it begins...

Also, I say cheat and lower the threat to the UK :cool:
 

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Is the UK building anything useful now that it is not going to war over Poland? I was working on a scenario where the UK does not guarantee Poland, and I was very disappointed to see AI UK's production queue empty.
 

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I wonder if that already is enough to get the Allies into the war against you. That'd depend on how quickly you can defeat Poland and how many units you have built.

I've beaten Poland (played ahead) and haven't been DOWed by anyone yet. I have enough units to cover my flanks (West and Czech) but it is stretching me a bit thinner than I would otherwise like.

They'll end up at war with the British at some point regardless, due to threat. At least knocking out Poland separatly means France can be hit even quicker once war is declared, which is nice.

Nice update!

Yeah, most likely I'll end up at war with the Allies at some point. I just hope its not anytime soon. :p

Will take all the land once Prussia owned and leave Poland as a puppet?

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Yep.

So it begins...

Also, I say cheat and lower the threat to the UK :cool:

Ooohh...tempting.

I wonder what the Soviets have to say to that.

I imagine Downfall with Stalin substituted for Hitler.

Is the UK building anything useful now that it is not going to war over Poland? I was working on a scenario where the UK does not guarantee Poland, and I was very disappointed to see AI UK's production queue empty.

No idea what the Brits are building. Will check that next time I load up the game.
 

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Take back what's rightfully yours!

That's the plan ;)

Phenominal AAR. Love the idea, only wish it could say "Weimar Republic" on the map.

Technically speaking, German Reich is the proper name to use. I do understand why Weimar would make more sense though.


Note: Update will hopefully be up this weekend, either tomorrow or Saturday. Been rather busier this week than anticipated.
 

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7. Reichswehr

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The German military that entered the war with Poland was one that had been prepared for months...for this one purpose. Forces had been shifted from the fronts with Italy and France, with the knowledge that neither was likely to intervene. And even were the French or Italians to interfere, they would have crippling issues. Italy would have the Alps to cross under fierce defensive fire, while France was far too caught up in its Maginot Line to attempt offensive actions. As a result, it had been considered safe to mass a substantial force along the Polish border...on the chance that war would come.

This force was divided into three major groups. The first was the Westpreußen Armee, based along the Northern sector of the line with Poland. This force was made up of thirteen divisions, spread from the Baltic in the north, to the 'bulge' of Polish territory in West Prussia in the south. Ten of these divisions were infantry, with the remaining three being some of the still-rare Panzer Divisions. Specifically, the Third under General Walther Nehring, a light armored force, the Sixth under General Johann von Ravenstein, and the Seventh under General Erwin Rommel. The latter two were equipped with the new Panzer Mark III, which will be examined in detail later in this chapter.

Second was the Ostpreußen Armee, based in East Prussia. This force was smaller at a 'mere' ten divisions strong, though even this was 45000 men. The Ostpreußen Armee was under overall command of Gerd von Rundstedt, and was an entirely infantry force, as OKR (Oberkommando der Reichswehr) predicted difficulties properly supplying an armored force from Königsberg. Even so, Ostpreußen's border with Poland was very lightly garrisoned despite its proximity to Warsaw. Thus, it was not considered necessary to provide more forces.

The third, and final, front with Poland was under the purview of the Sudeten Armee. This was the smallest front, with a mere nine divisions, though the garrison along the Czechoslovak border could be called up if needed. The reason for the relatively small size of General Günther von Kluge's force was simple...both West and Ostpreußen Armees were the force that would be used offensively. Taking Warsaw, it was believed, would create a cascade effect that would force Poland to surrender. As a result, those two Armies held the larger forces. The Sudeten Armee was merely meant to hold the line, and provide an 'anvil' for the Westpreußen Armee. Even so, the Ninth Panzer Division was stationed in the south, to move with infantry support on the city of Krakow, if needed.

Altogether, 32 divisions were gathered for Fall Weiß. This was the largest force the Reichsheer could spare, with the need to properly garrison the Reich's other borders.

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And these were the best forces the Reich could provide. The troops in the Infantry Divisions had been training heavily ever since the revival of the Heer, precisely for such an offensive. The Infantry formations, now made up of two Infantry brigades, one Artillery and one Anti-tank brigade, were the best in the world. Focused heavily on the offensive doctrine of blitzkrieg, these troops were armed with new semi-automatic rifles and the MP-40 submachine gun. They were heavily motivated, and extremely well trained.

Their Polish counterparts were armed with old Mauser and Mosin-Nagant rifles, primarily taken from old Imperial German and Russian stores. There had been efforts to replace these weapons with home designs, but they had not been as successful as the Poles may have hoped. As a result, they were both outnumbered and outgunned.

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The Poles were further outmatched by the Panzer Divisions. There may have only been four of these divisions attached to Fall Weiß. But these forces heavily outmatched anything Poland could offer. The Panzer Mark III, equipped with a high-velocity 50mm cannon, was more than a match for any armored forces the Poles could muster. Even the lighter Panzer Mark II that the Third Panzer Division fielded would cut through Cavalry or Infantry. With three of these divisions placed in West Prussia, it was little doubt that they would break through the Polish lines in the manner that Guderian had proposed with his Blitzkreig theory.

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Of course, the Reichswehr was more than just the Army. The Luftwaffe was also present in the plans for the invasion, primarily in a supporting role. As such, the new Ju-87 Stuka divebombers were based close to Poland's border, to provide close air support to the advancing ground forces. These bombers, slow and lumbering as they were, would be escorted by the new Heinkel He 100 fighter. This design was finding acceptance, even above the Messerschmidt 109, due in large part to its agility. It would need this against the maneuverable PZL fighters Poland was known to field.

Overall, however, the Luftwaffe was for support, not there to overwhelm Poland on its own.

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While not playing a direct role beyond shore bombardment of Danzig, the Reichsmarine will also be examined, as this chapter focuses on the overall military of the German Reich. The Navy, while still far from its glory days, was steadily being rebuilt. The main hitting force of the Reichsmarine remained its battlefleet. However, this force was now reinforced by two new battleships to complement the Scharnhorst-class. SMS Bismarck and Tirpitz, the first battleships built since the Great War. These mighty warships were large, and considered more than a match for the aging Royal Navy should the British decide to intervene. Two sister ships, the Großdeutschland and Ludendorff were expected to be commissioned in early August of 1940, bringing the big-gun force of the Reichsmarine up to four Bismarck-class battleships, two Scharnhorst-class Battlecruisers, and the two aging pre-dreadnoughts.

While Admiral Raeder was satisfied with this pace of construction, he did have to make some concessions. Admiral Canaris in particular, had managed to push through his own plans. Three Aircraft Carriers were well on their way to completion. Two, SMS Seydlitz and Jade were small, light carriers. These ships were roughly equivalent to the American USS Ranger, and while they were far from large, they did give the Navy some aircover that could hopefully counter the British carrier force. It was expected that these carriers would be completed, with a well-trained airgroup, by mid-January 1940.

Their larger counterpart, SMS Graf Zeppelin was taking longer to complete. This warship, equal to any currently under development in the world, would not be completed until September. When it was, however, it would provide the Reichsmarine with a warship the envy of any other Navy.

Something that may be needed...should Germany's moves in the East rouse the sleeping foes in the West...
 

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That's a serious naval buildup, I like it!
I guess the invasion of Poland will take a tad longer than useual, since you can't strike from Czechoslovakia and need to guard their border as well. Do you have sufficient fighters and bombers to take on the RAF and provide air support to the tanks?
 

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With four battleships, two escort carriers and a fleet carrier, I wonder how the rest of the naval buildup looks like. I'd expect a considerable number of light cruisers and destroyer groups. However, as we have seen, this comes at a price: fewer tank divisions.