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Great!! I never understand why the Anschluss was forbidden by the treaties

Anything to hurt Germany? I'll admit to not being as familiar with the Treaties as I probably should be. :p

Very good update. Next the Sudetenland, then Czechoslovakia, then...well, it'll be interesting for sure. Especially in how you RP it.

Interesting is right. Fun too.

Your map looks slightly off...why is Poland seemingly missing Upper Silesia and Vilnius? It looks like the regions were absorbed by Germany and Lithuania, respectively.

It's the default Semper Fi map. Poland should still have all their territory, unless I seriously missed something. I know I didn't do any modding of the map.
 

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While Weimar may push for the Sudetenland, it'd be out of character to continue with the otherwise historical disolution of the country. However, if you don't do that, I don't know if the usual event chain gets broken. May be Czechoslovakia will implode on itself in this game?
 

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Good luck with the Weimarians, when is the next election?

Historically, the elections had been in 1933, next would've been in 1937, assuming that the Weimar Republic had a 4-year-turn. 1941 would be interesting, assuming that those would be in mid-war, unless the constitution forbids elections during times of war (as does the German constitution does right now). Imagine that, Angela Merkel as head of the armed forces in a war *shudder*
 

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While Weimar may push for the Sudetenland, it'd be out of character to continue with the otherwise historical disolution of the country. However, if you don't do that, I don't know if the usual event chain gets broken. May be Czechoslovakia will implode on itself in this game?

Ironically enough, the Czechs were one of the first things I decided on when I was planning this. I have ideas on where that's going. ;)

Good luck with the Weimarians, when is the next election?

As Baltasar said, historically it would have been in 1937. In game terms, I believe its the start of 1941. Have to check that though.
 

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Looking forward to see what you planned with the even chain, there. Especially so with that unorthodox alliance setup in the Balkans, which I just had to remind myself of by checking an old update.

and yea, Anschluss was banned in order to keep German power down. Same reason they limited the army size and kind of weapons they could field. Anything to stop Germany from every becoming a threat again.
 
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Looking forward to see what you planned with the even chain, there. Especially so with that unorthodox alliance setup in the Balkans, which I just had to remind myself of by checking an old update.

and yea, Anschluss was banned in order to keep German power down. Same reason they limited the army size and kind of weapons they could field. Anything to stop Germany from every becoming a threat again.

The Czechs are an interesting thing to work around here, I do admit. It was certainly fun to plot out past Munich.


(Update will be tonight or tomorrow in all likelihood.)
 

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5. Munich

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With Austria now a firmly integrated part of the German Reich, attention turned to other areas with majority German populations, that were part of other nations. There were several of these, the Austrian lands taken by Italy being one. Another being Alsace-Lorraine, or even Northern Schleswig in Denmark. None of these territories were the ones being looked at by the Weimar Republic's leadership however. Trento and South Tyrol were firmly in Italian control, and Mussolini was at least somewhat friendly with his Germanic neighbors. Northern Schleswig was enjoying special privileges under Danish rule, as the small Kingdom was well aware it stood little to no chance in a war with just about anyone. And of course, Alsace-Lorraine was a pipe-dream, so long as France and Britain were allied and the Royal Navy outnumbered the Reichsmarine.

That left only one region that may possibly join the Republic without a war. A region that had never truly been part of the German Reich, unless one counted the Holy Roman Empire. It had however been part of the Hapsburg Empire, and even territory claimed by German-Austria, upon the formation of that short-lived Republic.

In the city of Munich, this territory would be brought up in the context of returning to Germany.

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The region in question was the Sudetenland, a primarily German-populated portion of the new Czechoslovak state. While it was unfair to the Czechs to claim they oppressed the Germans living in the region, the fact did remain that at least a substantial portion of them desired either autonomy or the right to join Germany as Austria had. Weimar made no moves to support these separatist wishes, either officially or unofficially. Hardline nationalists on both sides of the border rallied support and caused trouble for the Czechoslovak government however.

A government that was not the same as the Austrian Republic's. The Czechoslovakians were not going to just roll over and accept the detachment of such an important part of their nation. It was not coincidence that the best mines and industry in the young nation were in the Sudetenland...the Austro-Hungarian Empire had developed that territory accordingly, and considering the German domination of that Empire, it should be little surprise that the best (industrial) land was populated in large part by Germans.

Due in large part to the importance of these lands, the Czechs were highly resistant to the type of referendum that had happened in Austria. There was little doubt that even the less independently minded Sudeten Germans would vote in favor of joining the Reich. And the young nation could ill-afford to lose that territory.

However, the German leadership had to bow to its own people. Regardless of Weimar's own policies, the German people were beginning to support annexing the Sudetenland, due in large part to the excellent propaganda coming out of the region. There was little doubt to those who cared to look that the Czechoslovaks were not actually oppressing the German population.

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Images of the Czechoslovak Army patrolling the Sudetenland did little to allay the fears of the more gullible population however. To the trained eye, it was clear these troops were there to keep order, and make sure Germany did not attempt anything. To the untrained eye, it could appear as if the Czechs and Slovaks were determined to hold onto their land, even if it meant oppressing the people living in it.

This naturally increased the protests, and forced the Coalition to call the meeting in Munich.

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The leaders of all the major European powers, with the noticeable exceptions of Poland and Soviet Russia, gathered in Munich for the conference. The biggest players by far were Heuss, Mussolini, and the British Prime Minister, Anthony Eden. The Czechs were represented by their President, Benes, but he had little real say in how the meeting proceeded. Heuss began the meeting by making it clear Germany did not have territorial ambitions on Czechoslovakia. He clarified though, that regardless of this fact, it remained true that the Sudetenland was wanting to join Germany.

Much as with Austria, should this not have meant that they had the right of self-determination? If the Sudeten Germans wanted to join Germany, they should be given the option. What was left unsaid, in the interest of peace, was that the self-determination of the Sudeten Czechs was being ignored. Germany was a more powerful nation than Czechoslovakia, after all.

Mussolini strongly supported this outlook, perhaps hoping that a strong Germany would help his ambitions for a new Rome. Benes and the French President both protested heavily. In the end, the final decision came down on Anthony Eden. The British Prime Minister was a man who had long believed that war should be avoided at all costs. And the fact was, that if the Sudeten Germans did not get their wish, war may very well come.

Knowing this, Eden reluctantly agreed to the terms the German government put forth, given to them by the leadership of the Sudeten Germans.

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However, even as German troops began to march into the Sudetenland, to cheering crowds, Eden met with Benes in private. The British Prime Minister promised his Czech counterpart, that the Germans would go no further. In the so-called 'Munich Declaration', the reluctant British and rather more forceful French agreed to guarantee Czechoslovak independence. If Weimar made any further moves on the new state, they would be forced to go to war with the Entente.

Of course, what Eden didn't realize, couldn't realize, was that Germany had absolutely no intention of going after the rump of Bohemia. They had guaranteed the security of the wrong nation. For another portion of German territory was still out of their hands...one that the Reich had far more claim to than the Sudetenland...

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So I take it you won't pursue taking over the rest of Czechoslovakia?
 

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How does not taken the first Vienna affect the chain of events?

I assume that the rump state will be eaten by Hungary or Yugo.
 

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Yugoslavia does not have a border with Czechoslovakia right now. Hungary does and Hungary's armed forces should be capable of defeating the Czechs at this point. But will they do that without German support? They're not yet part of the Hamburg pact since Romania is part of it and the two countries have diplomatic difficulties. The Weimar Republic might even support the Czechs now, and guarantee their independence, improving relations and offer them to join the Hamburg Pact. Although that'd depend on any quarrels they might have with Hungary or Poland over other provinces.
An opportunistic Weimar might try to persuade the Poles to exchange Danzig for their claims of Czechoslovakia, although it'd be a bad deal for the Poles.
Then again, Czechoslovakia might still implode on itself.

Getting Danzig back is next to impossible without a European war, unless the event chain has been altered.
 

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AI never does random DoWs and I doubt Hungarians would be able to defeat even post-Münich Czechoslovakia on their own.

To not mess up with Allied sphere of influence, he's either going for Italy or Poland, as I believe Yugoslavia would be a bit off...
 

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Great update! I feel sorry for the Slovaks though... how are you planning to reclaim Danzig and other small territories along the Polish border without a war? that's the question
 

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So I take it you won't pursue taking over the rest of Czechoslovakia?

Unless they DoW me, no. Not much real reason, since I was pushing it a bit with even the Sudetenland I think.

How does not taken the first Vienna affect the chain of events?

I assume that the rump state will be eaten by Hungary or Yugo.

Not firing the First Vienna Award pretty well tanks everything past it. No Brit guarantee of Poland, no Molotov-Ribbentrop Dehler Pact, and no Danzig-or-War (decision). As for the Czechoslovaks...Yugoslavia would have to go through Hungary to reach them, and Hungary probably can't beat the Czechs on their own. Not to mention a result of Munich is Germany guaranteeing the Czechs...if someone goes to war with them, they'll have to fight me.

Yugoslavia does not have a border with Czechoslovakia right now. Hungary does and Hungary's armed forces should be capable of defeating the Czechs at this point. But will they do that without German support? They're not yet part of the Hamburg pact since Romania is part of it and the two countries have diplomatic difficulties. The Weimar Republic might even support the Czechs now, and guarantee their independence, improving relations and offer them to join the Hamburg Pact. Although that'd depend on any quarrels they might have with Hungary or Poland over other provinces.
An opportunistic Weimar might try to persuade the Poles to exchange Danzig for their claims of Czechoslovakia, although it'd be a bad deal for the Poles.
Then again, Czechoslovakia might still implode on itself.

Getting Danzig back is next to impossible without a European war, unless the event chain has been altered.

I wish I could get the Czechs into the Pact, but they're way too far away on the Triangle to reach me any time soon. It would certainly save me having to garrison the border, that's for sure.

As for the event chain...I tried to fix it to where Danzig-or-War would still fire, but as we've established I suck at event coding... :p

AI never does random DoWs and I doubt Hungarians would be able to defeat even post-Münich Czechoslovakia on their own.

To not mess up with Allied sphere of influence, he's either going for Italy or Poland, as I believe Yugoslavia would be a bit off...

Still hoping to get Yugoslavia into the Pact actually, if at all possible. Italy is going down at some point though.

Great update! I feel sorry for the Slovaks though... how are you planning to reclaim Danzig and other small territories along the Polish border without a war? that's the question

Did I say it was without a war? This is a war game after all ;)


Next update will be whenever I find the time. Tomorrow? Tuesday? One of those two is what I'm aiming for though.
 

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And now, for an interlude:

Interlude 1: Sino-German Cooperation

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Sino-German Cooperation, ongoing since Versailles, saw a major uptick after Munich. Chiang Kai-Shek, perhaps seeing the resurgent Germany as a counterweight to the colonial powers, oriented the Republic of China even further towards the central-European giant. It was this 'counterweight' factor that had begun the cooperation in the first place, so many years ago. Germany, crippled after Versailles and forced to cede Tsingtao to Japan, was a nation that no longer had any interest in colonial adventures in China.

Because of this, the Republic's leaders oriented towards German aid, as the nation in question used it as one of many ways to get around Versailles and continue developing its military. There were tough spots, most notably Japanese attempts to sway Germany towards their goal a 'Co-Prosperity Sphere'. These overtures were rebuffed for various reasons, and the cooperation with China continued.

It finally reached the point that the Kuomintang was officially accepted into the Hamburg Pact.


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With the official entry of Republican China to the German-lead alliance, support for the Chinese in their ongoing war with Japan increased by leaps and bounds. The German industry, buoyed by Austria and the Sudeten factories, began routing more and more military supplies to their new allies. Von Falkenhausen, veteran general that he was, distributed these materials primarily to the front-line divisions that he had been training with the aid of other Great War veterans. As a result, the 'New Model' Army of the Kuomintang began to more and more resemble the Reichsheer in both uniforms and equipment.

They needed the new equipment too, as even the Manchurian puppets of the Empire of Japan were equipped with far more advanced weaponry than the mostly obsolete Republican Army. Thus the reason that most of the new material produced in German factories went to outfit their new allies.

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It is worth noting, however, that not everything sent to China was top-of-the-line Reichseer-standard weapons. The Panzer Divisions required every new tank Germany produced, and as a result none of the new Panzer III and IV tanks found their way to the Kuomintang. For all of that, however, the Chinese did receive Panzers. They were just the obsolete- for a European War -I and II models. Obsolete for Europe they may have been, the old Armor was more than sufficient for the Chinese theater.

Japan had very, very, little in the way of armor of their own. And it was mostly light tanks, equivalent at best to the Czech LT 34. The faster and more agile Pz I and II may have lacked in armor or firepower, but they could outmaneuver the Japanese armor. And while the machine guns and 20mm cannons arming the old Panzers were far from sufficient for anti-tank warfare in Europe, they could tear up lightly armed Japanese infantry and cavalry.

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The result of these improvements was quickly seen. A Japanese attempt at flanking the Chinese defenders by landing at Shanghai was cut off, several divisions of hardened Imperial troops surrounded and cut off from supply. Shanghai itself remained under occupation, but joint forces of all Chinese factions kept a close eye on the city, while guerrillas sabotaged Japanese forces. There was not going to be a flanking move on the New Model Army any time soon.

While Shanxi remained under Japanese occupation along with the old Imperial capital of Beijing, the Chinese were holding a line on the Yellow River. Probing attacks from both sides took provinces on either side of the river, with the important city of Jinan changing hands multiple times. Overall, the line stabilized along the River, Chinese manpower holding the Japanese back as more and more German material arrived in the Republic's ports.


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In the interest of getting more supplies into China, the Guangxi Clique was also brought in the Hamburg Pact. This opened a secure staging area, far from Japanese forces, where supplies could be stored. It was also hoped that the Clique could provide a fall-back position for the Kuomintang, should the Yellow River Line falter. If need be, Germany would intervene, and declare the rump of Guangxi a protectorate, to keep at least some part of China independent.

The fact that the Reichsmarine was in no way, shape, or from, equal to the Imperial Japanese Navy was purposely ignored.

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The last report from China before European events overtook German aid was a promising one. Mao Zedong and the Communists had fallen, their leadership scattering to the winds as their military was absorbed into the Kuomintang. Threat of a resurgent Civil War was almost entirely eliminated, and despite the loss of the Communists heavily fortified territory, it was arguably a net gain for the Republic and its backers in Weimar.

As even with this loss of territory, the Chinese continued to hold the Yellow River Line. Japan pushed out of Shanghai, but these forces too, would soon be surrounded much like the last attempt at a breakout. As 1939 moved on, the Second Sino-Japanese War had stalemated out...and most believed that it was only a matter of time until Chinese numbers made up for the early Japanese gains...
 

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Very interesting update, and one turn of events I didn't expect for the Weimar Germany. From an alternative history aspect, it's interesting to see Germany ally with the Chinese against the Japanese, and see how the war would have gone not only against the Japanese, but the Communist as well.
 

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I feel sorry forma Japan... Should they have directed theit attention southern they could have been a great Ally
 

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Great update, nice to see another a-historical but very plausible scenario.

I suppose it is doubtful as to whether the Chinese would be able to assist against the soviets
 

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This does put Japan at odds with the German Reich and could potential mean that the Japanese will be trying to appease the British and ally with them, just as in WW1. However, with Japanese ambitions tied up in China, an agreement will be unlikely. Historically, Japan began the campaign for the Pacific because of her need to get more resources to throw into China. Unless AI Japan is scripted not to DOW the USA for some reason, this whole thing might evolve into either a completely seperate war or into an odd situation where Japan is part of the Allies, bringing the USA, in the event of a DOW, into the Axis camp. :wacko:

I wonder how China will hold out once Germany has to cut Lend and Lease for the sake of increasing their own military power and also how much the Chinese can do with the help they already received. Will they be able to eleminate that bridgehead?