Carpatho-Ukraine and the Hungarian invasion

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Reading my WW2 encylopedia (for anyone who wonders it's called The Marshal Cavendish Encylopedia of World War Two) I came upon a paragraph mentioning a state that declared it's independence following that of the Slovak State in 1939.

Hungary was already ready to invade and did so, taking about 5 days to pacify the country.

The country was about 6x as big as Luxembourg, and as it played a part of World War Two I believe to be more significant than that of Luxembourg I think that this state should be included in the new series of event's that HoI3 will have for the Annexation of Czechoslovakia.

Also with the new province system what might have a been a 1 province country in HoI2 will probably be around 5 provinces now.

Although it played a small part in the large scale of things it would be an interesting little event and would provide some interest for Hungarian and potential Carpatho-Ukrainian and Slovakia in the new HoI3.

Hungary was attacked by the Czechs on 14 March, they counterattacked the now Carpatho-Ukrainians on 15 March.

I looked it up in Wikipedia, give pretty much all you need to know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Carpatho-Ukraine

After this Hungary went on the attack Slovakia in the Slovak-Hungarian War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak-Hungarian_War

Hopefully this makes it into the game.

 

[Tahuti]

Carpatho-Ukraine was a rump state, they were simply doomed to be overrun by Hungary or otherwise the USSR.

The Hungarian-Slovak war is indeed underrepresented in all previous game, but a war lasting a few days compromising only a small strip of land is very hard to represent.

 

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And would this country have a GIE (Government in Exile) too? Oh! Where does it end? Although, I agree that Luxembourg is one of the most useless countries in the game. Its only function is to serve as a temporary roadblock to France for Germany. I think the only reason it is thrown in there is to increase Germany's belligerence when Germany steamrolls over it.

 

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When HOI3 comes out, I'm going to AAR this. I love Hungary, and Eastern Europe in general. So much bizzare stuff happens there or happened out that we never hear about.

Carpatho-Ukraine for HOI3 I say!

Screw this, I'm going to sig it.

 

[Earl Uhtred]

Only if we get Pindus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Pindus

 

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What we need is a "small countries that we would very much like be in Hearts of Iron 3 please if it not too much trouble" thread

 

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What we need is a "small countries that we would very much like be in Hearts of Iron 3 please if it not too much trouble" thread

Feel free to start the thread at any time.

 

[The Great Duck]

The new map will have 10 000 provinces,and IIRC all number and letter combinations for tags will now be supported,so they could probably be,if not in from the start,easily added by the mods.

 

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Would be a very short adventure. Should be handled by event, e.g. creating and being annexed by hungary in March 1939. The small losses and the little military action are better represented thus. If hungary chooses not to annex, it would remain a small and unimportant state like luxemburg. If starting dates are on january, you wouldn't event be able to play them (if you don't coun't loading a savegame). Include one or two events for it, and done.

Also, if we get carpatho-ukraine, I want the Freie Stadt Danzig!

and the vatican

 

[Turul]

In the "Should Andorra, Vatican City, Danzig, etc. be in?" topic Johan has already said that those small countries won't be in.
I think that country has only one point. To see the beautiful annextation window.

 

[Mrdie]

I do wonder why Danzig isn't in, yet Tannu Tuva is. It never gets to see action, was small, heavily influenced by both the Soviet Union and Mongolia, and its only notable achievement was having the first elected female head of state. Also, it became a part of the USSR in 1944.

 

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The question was should they be in. Not will they be in.

With the new, smaller provinces maybe it will be easy to mod in. But I still hope for Danzig at least, Andorra, Vatican I don't care about.

 

[smily132]

List of puppet states

Theres quite a few of them really

 

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Most of them are in, already, as you are able to release those puppets over the diplomacy window. But the way this is represented ingame makes it (in my eyes) not desirable to do so.

 

[Turul]

I want to play with Andorra and Sikkim in vanilla

 

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I don't think Carpatho-Ukraine should have or needs a Government in Exile.

I'm hoping these will only be for countries like Poland.

But I do believe it should be in the game.


Wether it is a small war or a big one. Every war should be in the game.

The country had a fair chance of surviving, if the Czechs in the area had decided to fight, and if Germany had chosen to offer it's support for the country. Then Hungary would probably have called off the invasion.

Italy's invasion of Albania is represented with a war. There was less combat in that war then in the Invasion of Carpatho-Ukraine or the Slovak Hungarian War. The only notable resistance of the Albanians was at Durres.

If we really want HoI3 to be realistic, why should we not want this in the game?


I also fully support Luxembourg being in the game.

Vatican, maybe an offmap country, but only because of it's importance.

Pindus is a hard call, the state was so vaguely defined, and Italy also had a puppet government of Greece. I'd say no, as these "countries" barely even qualify as puppets, they were more like the regional administration.

Andora and Danzig, no. These countries didn't even have armies, there fore they are quite useless for the game, they'd have less than 1 IC, not enough to probably even provied for Consumer Goods and Supplies.



Thank you Ianovich for your support, if you could tell me how to add it to my sig also that would be great.

 

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Danzig had the batallion-strength SS-Heimwehr Danzig (SS Home Guard), which was established in August 1939 with large material and personnel donations from Germany. They also had their police troops, who fought together with the SS unit in the fight for the Danzig Post office, which had been fortified with polish military aid. 2 Germans and 6 Poles died in the fighting, with ~15 wounded, the 50 surviving poles where executed a week later.

Danzig could be represented (if that's possible) as a puppet of poland (as they took over all the exterior politics), that by event will come to germany if they choose to invade.
Danzig also had a population of 390.000 in 1939, thats 100.000 more than Luxembourg had at that time.

 

[Turul]

The country had a fair chance of surviving, if the Czechs in the area had decided to fight, and if Germany had chosen to offer it's support for the country. Then Hungary would probably have called off the invasion.

Hm. Make a country for 3 days? Or to 1 months? As ridiculuos as Andorra and Danzig "are quite useless for the game". WE, hungarians were the allies of Germany not a 3-day old country. If Germany had supported CU, they would have lost Hungary as an ally. And they didn't want to loose us. If they had done that, a very strong Hungary-Poland(maybe Czechslovakian) ally would have became. In that case i am sure that Romania would have attacked us with Italy and Germany. But it would have needed too much victims. Germany didn't want to lose power for a war like this. So the chance of this german support was 0.

 

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Hm. Make a country for 3 days? Or to 1 months? As ridiculuos as Andorra and Danzig "are quite useless for the game". WE, hungarians were the allies of Germany not a 3-day old country. If Germany had supported CU, they would have lost Hungary as an ally. And they didn't want to loose us. If they had done that, a very strong Hungary-Poland(maybe Czechslovakian) ally would have became. In that case i am sure that Romania would have attacked us with Italy and Germany. But it would have needed too much victims. Germany didn't want to lose power for a war like this. So the chance of this german support was 0.

Last I checked Hungary wasn't allied to germany before WW2, Slovakia was.

Carpatho-Ukraine was in much the same situation as Slovakia.



Last I checked Hearts of Iron wasn't a World Wat Two simulation. It is merely a game about the period from 1936-1948. The game isn't meant to be an exact representation of WW2.

Maybe some players would wan't to choose as Germany to support Carpatho-Ukraine and Slovakia over Hungary. Why sould they not have that right?

If you are playing and Germany decides not to support you and your territorial claims, RELOAD THE DAMN GAME!

Some people want options for their game. That's part of the fun of HoI.

 

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I would like to mod the game so that some tiny break-away country, a la carpatho-ukraine, would create itself, then have an army of one under-strength militia, but have an uber-brigade attached to symbolize a futuristic mega-weapon that somehow fell into the rebel's hands. E.g. Serbia splits from Yugoslavia during the German invasion, but in this time line Nikola Tesla has returned to his native land and constructed his death ray, which can be attached to any infantry for +30 air and ground attack. Yay!