Carpathian culture group

[Kane_hun]

Greetings,

Recently there has benn discussion in multiple threads (e.g. dev diary of 5th March) about a possible rework of the Carpathian culture group.
The main suggestion are usually to move Slovak culture to West Slavic, Romanian to tthe renamed Balkan, possibly leaving Hungarian and maybe Transylvanian alone in the group. Some would even dismantle the Transylvanian group altogether.

I hope in this thread we can discuss what would be the best way to improve the situation there, considering the effects on on the Balkans and the West Slavic group (as in the HRE via Bohemia) since both those areas are in focus for the next DLC.

Personally I think Transylvanian culture should stay as it is, considering the multicultural nature and game balance in the area. There is an event already in the game, Romanian revolt for Hungary and Transylvania which changes multiple provinces to Romanian culture, so imo its fine it is. (Perhaps a more dynamic approach would be better for this event though.) Improvements are welcome nevertheless (see my other thread about Transylvanian culture in my signature).

Moving Slovak culture to West Slavic has some solid arguments, although I would like to point out the homogenic bloc of this culture as ahistorical (Pozsony province was basically 3 cultural and the ethnic border was norther; an addition of provinces like Komárom would be welcome). Do note that there is also a nationalist event for Slovaks as well, similar to the one I mentioned for Romanians, called Slovak National Awakening (a bit early for the timeframe though)

What would be interesting as some suggested to mix the West slavic + Hungarian + Transylvanian + Slovak and move Romanian to Balkanic, to represent that these nations were close historically, multiple times in PUs of each other. Personally I think this one should be considered.

Finally if we were to decide that Hungarian should be in its own group, I would suggest that they should get more accepted culture slots, possibly via a special government.

There are many possibilites on a rework, what do you think would be the best and why?

 

[orkish_sailor]

I think that cultural groups should not be so clearly demarcated. Possibly, modifiers should be added that allow the country to accept similar cultural groups and which the country receives when choosing certain policies or ideas. Hungary should be allowed to more easily adopt the Balkan and West Slavic cultures, for example. On the other hand, the acceptance of cultures should not be as simple as it is now, but this is already my personal opinion, which is not interesting to anyone

 

[Sanguine Caesar]

My personal opinion on the matter is that the Carpathian group (minus Slovak) is perfectly acceptable in its current iteration. I would however advocate for a split of Romanian into Wallachian and Moldavian, but even so, I do not view this as necessarily vital. I tend to disagree with the creation of a "Balkan" culture group as I feel it is often too loosely defined in terms of what qualifies a culture as "Balkan" or not; and many of the standards used would mean cultures such as Croatian and Slovene should be moved into a group with Hungarian and Austrian because they were influenced by and associated more with Central Europe rather than the Ottomans as other countries in the Balkans had been.

As such, I think the South Slavic and Carpathian groups should be left more or less as is, with Slovak moved to West Slavic, and perhaps a split of Romanian.

 

[Kane_hun]

Hungary should be allowed to more easily adopt the Balkan and West Slavic cultures, for example

Perhaps a goverment reform for certain tags which reduces wrong culture penalty for unaccepted cultures (like republics have it) + maybe additional culture slots, since I dont expect thale base culture mechanics to to changed. Its always nice to use a wide range of avaiable modifier in the game and not just stick with a few.

Croatian and Slovene should be moved into a group with Hungarian and Austrian because they were influenced by and associated more with Central Europe rather than the Ottomans as other countries in the Balkans had been.

Agreed, although this was likely influenced by the shared kingdom(s) and catholic religion (which resulted in closer cultural ties probably)

Althoughs an Austro-Croat-Hungarian&co culture group makes some sense I dont expect that Austria will be moved away from german, since it would decrease their chances of being elected Emperor.

While I am mostly fine with the current culture setup, it sadly doesnt represent the cultural ties what Hungary and neighbouring countries had. Imo religion playedpan important role; Orthodox Romanians werent culturally much closer to Catholic Hungarians/Slovaks, etc than Catholic Poles or Austrians.

 

[Sanguine Caesar]

Agreed, although this was likely influenced by the shared kingdom(s) and catholic religion (which resulted in closer cultural ties probably)

Althoughs an Austro-Croat-Hungarian&co culture group makes some sense I dont expect that Austria will be moved away from german, since it would decrease their chances of being elected Emperor.

I think you misunderstood what I said here. To be clear, I am not in favour of this. I was simply saying that if one follows the same logic that people use to include Romanian in a "Balkan" culture group, the logical conclusion of that would be to remove Croatian from such a group as in many ways it was more influenced by Italy and Central Europe than the Byzantines or the Ottomans, something which I do not support as it currently works just fine in the South Slavic group.