Carolingian Mod

[Salik]

I think it could safely be argued, that by the start of this mod all the things that lead to the GHA had already happened. Though we don't know the details, we know that Danish vikings had raided France and Britain for decades at this point. Maybe you could make it depend on crown laws in Denmark, so that given certain factors, which should be very likely to be fulfilled, an event chain leading to increased Viking raids on France and Britain will start. The raiders would settle for cash, possibly at an ever increasing price, but maybe if they take enough land they will want to settle and gain claims. Would that work?

 

[WildPeacock]

Here: http://geacron.com/en/?lang=en&z=5&x=8.5693384021348&y=45.177389722687&nd=-1&d=&di=844&tm=p&ly=yy

It's not the most historical-accurate atlas out there, but it may help.

 

[Otto Bismarck]

Here: http://geacron.com/en/?lang=en&z=5&x=8.5693384021348&y=45.177389722687&nd=-1&d=&di=844&tm=p&ly=yy

It's not the most historical-accurate atlas out there, but it may help.

It helps some, but im not sure its accurate because it forgot a few countries.

I'm mainly using these 2 maps:

http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/images/East-Hem_900ad.jpg
http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/images/East-Hem_800ad.jpg

I dont want to completely remove some kingdoms, like mercia, so i try and find an average between the 2 maps. While also doing research on each country to see when they were founded etc.. I'm not trying to do a 100% accurate map because frankly i think that's impossible and not nearly as fun.

Also more pictures of the middle east to come in a few hours!

 

[DominusNovus]

I love Lessman's maps. I'm sure you've seen these maps (or someone has linked to them and I missed it), but in case you haven't../
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=371578
(civfanatics is the only place where I can find an english version at the moment)

 

[Muskeato]

I think it could safely be argued, that by the start of this mod all the things that lead to the GHA had already happened. Though we don't know the details, we know that Danish vikings had raided France and Britain for decades at this point. Maybe you could make it depend on crown laws in Denmark, so that given certain factors, which should be very likely to be fulfilled, an event chain leading to increased Viking raids on France and Britain will start. The raiders would settle for cash, possibly at an ever increasing price, but maybe if they take enough land they will want to settle and gain claims. Would that work?

But what's to say that what became the GHA didn't invade Northern France instead of Eastern England, or somewhere else? Or that the key organisers would even be alive in this timeline? I'm not sure I'd quite say anything led to the GHA in the same way that things led to World War 1, for instance.

 

[Otto Bismarck]

Update:

Here are the new Aghlabids! I didn't make them the de'jur since they were only in power for 100 years. Its currently just a titular title.

Created the Aghlabids, Idrisids and expanded the Sunni Caliphate west.

 

[SirDraco]

But what's to say that what became the GHA didn't invade Northern France instead of Eastern England, or somewhere else? Or that the key organisers would even be alive in this timeline? I'm not sure I'd quite say anything led to the GHA in the same way that things led to World War 1, for instance.

I agree, you are starting in 844 right? their origins are apparently a band of warriors who attacked Paris in 845, so teh things that lead to the GHA arn't for another year and they don't arrive in Britain till 865. Another thing of note, the Danes are still Pagan at this time, right? therefore they wouldn't need a cb, right?

I understand you reluctance to force history upon the player and I do agree with that but I feel the GHA could add a interesting element to the game, even if they attack another Kingdom. Is it possible do have it so that it spawns anywhere along the coastline of Ireland, Britain or France etc? Just an idea, not even sure it's plausible.

 

[Takeo92]

Well done so far, yes you should make it a titular.


Also there is 1 thing, i would like you to do (when you got the time) - its not much:


move the starting day 1 day away from the treaty, and unite all 3 empires to the big "Frankish Empire" - so people can also play with the "complete" one, if they want.

So that you can decide, if you want to start right after the treaty or 1 day before the treaty. if you start 1 day before the treaty of verdun, there should be a event and a short story, why the treaty did´t happen.. would be funny i think.. and you have to change really nothing different.

Also i would like a reunification option. Also you should consider, that in that time the people didnt .. use the word "deutsch/german" or france / frensh ... so stay to "frankish"


Regards.

 

[Otto Bismarck]

I agree, you are starting in 844 right? their origins are apparently a band of warriors who attacked Paris in 845, so teh things that lead to the GHA arn't for another year and they don't arrive in Britain till 865. Another thing of note, the Danes are still Pagan at this time, right? therefore they wouldn't need a cb, right?

I understand you reluctance to force history upon the player and I do agree with that but I feel the GHA could add a interesting element to the game, even if they attack another Kingdom. Is it possible do have it so that it spawns anywhere along the coastline of Ireland, Britain or France etc? Just an idea, not even sure it's plausible.

In the demo when I would play as the pagans, they still needed a CB to declare war. Hence why I think I will have to give them one, because currently it seems like they don't have the ability to do a holy war on X province like the christians or muslims.

As for the starting date, yes it starts in 844. You can go back far enough to when charlemagne was alive and play as him. However, im not sure if any of the other kingdoms will even be formed. I know mercia and wessex should. But im not sure about any of the other kingdoms.

 

[Dutchling]

Do you know about this and this? I found them to be very useful in the mods I tried to make. A pity I usually get bored after ten minutes though.

 

[Temoudjin]

Hey I'm very interested in this mod, I've been working on something like it myself,
but I'd be happy to lend my services if you want to delegate a certain area of the mod like a certain region or time period.
The research I've been doing from 790s up to 1066 might be helpful.

 

[Salik]

But what's to say that what became the GHA didn't invade Northern France instead of Eastern England, or somewhere else? Or that the key organisers would even be alive in this timeline? I'm not sure I'd quite say anything led to the GHA in the same way that things led to World War 1, for instance.

Well, in the post you quoted I never said anything about them invading only England. In fact, I specifically said "increased Viking raids on France and Britain". I'm not arguing that there should be a hardcoded event leading to the formation of the Danelaw, but Viking raids started long before 844, and the key players in what would become the GHA were alive and raiding in the 840's. I think that the movement towards settling the lands that they raided was more or less inevitable at that point, we know that they brought women along on their raids and that they spent the Winter in France and Ireland as early as the 840's.

The reason they settled in England rather than France was probably, that the West Frankish kingdom was more stable and had a stronger military force than the Anglosaxon kingdoms in England. If increased Viking raids also included the possibility of their leaders gaining landed titles, this would be naturally incorporated in the mod- the weaker countries would be more likely to lose a war, and thus more likely to end up with Viking settlements. Maybe it could be implemented the same way that mercenary wars are handled in Vanilla

 

[Pyriel]

So how's the overall progress of this mod then?

Im looking forward to trying it out

 

[unmerged(426560)]

So how's the overall progress of this mod then?

Im looking forward to trying it out

+1

 

[Otto Bismarck]

Hey I'm very interested in this mod, I've been working on something like it myself,
but I'd be happy to lend my services if you want to delegate a certain area of the mod like a certain region or time period.
The research I've been doing from 790s up to 1066 might be helpful.

You could work on eastern europe if you wanted then. Researching people that where dukes/counts etc is also very helpful so I can give the user more dynasties to play as.

So how's the overall progress of this mod then?

Im looking forward to trying it out

Progress is going pretty good, I have been a little bit busy lately tho. Most of western europe I would say is done but I want to redo england also. The majority of the work left is to add eastern europe, then add more starting dynasties to play as and after that maybe introduce game balancing features along with include other mods, like the portrait/beard one.

I have also been doing some play testing, Can't help myself! :wub: Creating the muslim nations really changed everything, plus I gave them a special pagan like building boosting their light infantry by 250 men. So its very fun!

 

[edders05]

This looks really really good already! Congratulations! Looking forward to playing it.

 

[DominusNovus]

I'm sure I speak for many when I say that, if you'd like more people to test it out, we'd be more than happy to.

 

[Takeo92]

Btw, if you leave Byz. as East Roman Empire, please add a "Unification" funktion, so you can form the "Roman Empire" (Should ONLY be possible, if you are Italian Culture or Emperor of Byzianz and controll all Byz Empire + Italy AND have Roma as capitol

Regards

 

[Otto Bismarck]

Update:

Added 2 new religions:
Jewish; Note: this is for the Khazaria.
Slavic Pagan; Note: I didn't know what to call this religion but I did list 2 of the slavic gods: Perun and Veles.

Added 2 new playable counts.
County of Novgorod playable as the family Rurikovich.
Counties of Uppland and Sodermanland playable as the family af Munso.

Added 1 new Sunni/Levantine specific building that grants light infantry bonus.
~Similiar to russian heavy infantry, but instead light infantry.

The new sunni building was to balance the middle east so byzantine can't roflstomp abbasid caliphate.

Current tasks: Finish Abbasid Caliphate and change the religion of the majority of eastern europe(RUS) to slavic_pagan.

 

[Pyriel]

Funny how the byzantine empire on the map look like my current game, I said screw the east.. and went and conquered italy as Athens.

It's looking good tho.. how far off are you from a playable version?