Carolingian Mod

[Hackworthy]

This is an awesome mod, and exactly what I was looking for when I popped into the mods section. Keep up the good work! I started off as the King of Mercia and haven't encountered any issues as of yet about an hour-and-a-half in.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=104929703&insideModal=1&showComments=0

 

[grzegorz444]

I thought that it is only available for Bizantium
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/2012102700001.jpg/

Playing TPatT version.
edit: Maybe it's TPatT bug/issue ?

Or everything it's fine ?

 

[Takeo92]

Well, i played a bit as the Norse, do you plan to "improve" the Pagan Religions?

 

[grzegorz444]

Testing CKplus wersion and
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/2012102700002.jpg/
Strange province name ? Shouldn't be Teate ?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/2012102700004u.jpg/
Can't create factions
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/259/2012102700005.jpg/
Laws not loading even after 12 years game

 

[unmerged(344651)]

A few problems with thE Prince and the Thane version of this mod:

1. Half of the Arab leaders are orthodox, resulting in orthodox controlled Jerusalem and Syria, which makes for a very gamey situation with the ERE,
2. Teate is listed as not being a real province, so you can't march through it or do anything to it,
3. the map has land province names for the water areas and does not utilize the different map in TPatT,

 

[al3xytp]

I like this mod, but far too many crashs for me:
- when quitting
- when loading
- EVERYTIME !

 

[Otto Bismarck]

I thought that it is only available for Bizantium
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/2012102700001.jpg/

Playing TPatT version.
edit: Maybe it's TPatT bug/issue ?

Or everything it's fine ?

TPatT probably changed the gameplay allowing everyone to do that. I noticed this also.

Well, i played a bit as the Norse, do you plan to "improve" the Pagan Religions?

I would like to add more dynasties in the future, not sure about pagan religions. My I prefer to create the timeframe, then let other mods like TPatT do all the gameplay changes.

Testing CKplus wersion and
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/2012102700002.jpg/
Strange province name ? Shouldn't be Teate ?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/2012102700004u.jpg/
Can't create factions
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/259/2012102700005.jpg/
Laws not loading even after 12 years game

I saw that in CK2+ also and wasn't sure about the law changes.

A few problems with thE Prince and the Thane version of this mod:

1. Half of the Arab leaders are orthodox, resulting in orthodox controlled Jerusalem and Syria, which makes for a very gamey situation with the ERE,
2. Teate is listed as not being a real province, so you can't march through it or do anything to it,
3. the map has land province names for the water areas and does not utilize the different map in TPatT,

Honestly, I haven't put any effort into the muslim world. I have been focusing 100% on catholic europe. The problem with integrating mods like TPatT and CK2+ is that they add many new cultures and religions while also changing the localisation text(which is the province name issue). I honestly didn't notice that the muslims were orthodox. Thanks for catching this. I didn't utilize the map from TPatT because it has many new provinces that I would have to do research for and do the titles for. I may eventually change the map over but currently no plans because that would be a massive undertaking.

I like this mod, but far too many crashs for me:
- when quitting
- when loading
- EVERYTIME !

I add the crashes in the mod on purpose just to frustrate you. You found out my dirty secret! But on a serious note, I have no idea why it does this and it is very frustrating for me also. But hey, I did fix a lot of the crashes when the mod was running by fixing the issue with the flags and a few title issues.



I appreciate all the feedback everyone and it would be cool if you all did AAR's so I can watch the progress of europe.

 

[romanswinter]

Otto, thank you for making this Mod; I love the idea! One question I have is, when I play the TPATT version I notice there are no expanded mercenaries like in the regular TPATT. Have they been removed from the game, or do extra mercenaries not come into the game until a certain date? Just wondering, thanks.

 

[DC123456789]

For the Pamplona/Navarra and West Francia/France problems, why not just have an event that changes their name around when it should happen? (although I am clueless at modding, so I'm not sure if this is even possible.)

 

[Otto Bismarck]

Otto, thank you for making this Mod; I love the idea! One question I have is, when I play the TPATT version I notice there are no expanded mercenaries like in the regular TPATT. Have they been removed from the game, or do extra mercenaries not come into the game until a certain date? Just wondering, thanks.

This is because I didn't update the landed titles file. I didn't know there was new mercenaries honestly. lol That was something I left out on accident. o

 

[tarbik]

Just some suggestions about Great Moravia:
- from the start, most of the nobility was Christian, although lower classes were generally still pagan
- Bohemia was not always part of Great Moravia; the only moravian ruler who had real power over it was Svatopluk, so it would be better to make it totally independent (with the expetion of Svatopluk rulership, that is)
- it would be great if you could make an event chain about christianization of G. M. with contest of latin priests (generally catholics from Germany) and the orthodox church represented mostly by native priest preaching in old church slavonic (Saints Cyril and Methodius were their teachers)
- the succesion system should be elective, as moravian magnates had great deal of independence (maybe it is possible to use a trait like "Born in Purple" to increase chances of Mojmirids to win it)
- as Hungary was not, in this time, inhabited by hungarians but avars (after all, Great Moravia was destroyd by hungarian raiders as soon as they came), it should be represented somehow (maybe via horde system?)

Oh, and if you make Bohemia independent, I could provide you with the names of dynasties and some rulers; but they should all be ruled by Premyslids. Also, although like in Great Moravia most of the nobility was christian, Premyslids were not; Borivoj I. was baptised in 883; also, Bohemian nobility was mostly christian (as they are records of some of them being babtised in Regensburg), Premyslids were orthodox (as Borivoj was baptized by Svatopluk s priests).
Oh, and Borivoj was probably cousion of Svatopluk and a son to Rostislav who ruled before Svatopluk (Svatopluk was Rostislav s nephew - that is also why I suggest to change the succesion law).

I am not a programmer, so I really don t know what is possible, but I can imagine that it would be hard to do all I suggest - mainly all those events. But I am willing to help with all this as much as I can.

 

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Oh, and if you make Bohemia independent, I could provide you with the names of dynasties and some rulers; but they should all be ruled by Premyslids

Wasn't this exactly the time when the Slavnik and Premysl dynasties were in fiercest competition, and equal in strength? It seems to me a major oversight to claim all the Bohemians were ruled by Premysls and ignore entirely the Slavniks, as much as making an 1860s mod and ignoring the Confederacy.

 

[King_kovu]

If these guys could be made playable some how I'd love it. They're all semi-mythic as most of what is known of them is in scandinavian sagas which are likely part fiction though the three sons who invaded england are mostly known by the Anglo Saxon Chronicle

Ragnar Lodbrok, born unknown, death reckoned between 840 and 865 at the hands of King AElle of northumbria, the later date is more likely as otherwise his sons would have gone to 25 years after his death before leading the 'Great Heathen Army' supposedly to avenge him. Nothing else is really known about him other than the fact he was a viking and a pirate hitting france and england mostly. It's believed his offspring/followers settled in northern france, creating Normandy (North Man/Norse man). Supposedly king of Denmark and Sweden

All are of the house of Lodbrokson and sons of Ragnar Lodbrok. They lead the first great danish invasion of England in 865

Ubba Ragnarrson, born unknown but from I can gather he had to be at least in his twenties, if not 30s or older when they invaded, died 878 (Battle of Cynuit), Family is stated above to the best of my knowledge and research, it is suggested their mother was Aslaug but she's in scandinavian mythology so I don't know if that's accurate.

Ivar the Boneless Ragnarrson, Born unknown, You know, I guess they were all in their 30s as they all had formidable reputations and lead a 'great army'. Death unknown, possibly 873. He was a ruler of an area probably comprising parts of modern-day Denmark and Sweden and was renowned as hot headed and a beserker where Ubba was more thoughtful


Halfdan Ragnarsson, born also unknown, died 877 in a new viking expedition. Was the first King of Jorvik before he was expelled. Apparently he helped his brothers conquer northumbria in 875 suggesting that Ivar lived past 873. He was the leader of the force who bloodied Alfred The Great's nose by taking Reading and holding it against an attempt to reclaim it though the Anglo Saxon chronicles list him as one of the commanders who suffered defeat at The Battle of Ashdown. in Ragnar's saga he is refered to as Hvitserk but in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle he is recorded as Halfdan.

There's also two other brother's who I don't know as much about as they didn't invade England but are recorded in Ragnar's death song/saga as Bjorn Ironside(supposedly King of Sweden after his father's death) and Sigurd-snake-in-the-eye who apparantly inherited Zealand, Scania, Halland, the Danish islands, and Viken.

 

[Otto Bismarck]

Thanks for the suggestions everyone!

 

[tarbik]

Wasn't this exactly the time when the Slavnik and Premysl dynasties were in fiercest competition, and equal in strength? It seems to me a major oversight to claim all the Bohemians were ruled by Premysls and ignore entirely the Slavniks, as much as making an 1860s mod and ignoring the Confederacy.

Well, first recorded Slavnikid is... ehm... Slavnik who is said to die in 981, so it is doubtful that they even existed in 9th century. Even if they did, it doesn t seem like there was some dispute between them and Premyslid in this time; even though there is not much information about Bohemia in this period, something like such conflict would be mentioned.

But if Bohemia would be developed in detail, the personalities of different counts should be made so that they would feel animosity towards Premyslids, since in this time Premyslids were quite weak (one of the reasons why Borivoj accepted Svatopluk as his suzerain is that it fortified Borivojs - and Premyslids - position in Bohemia; the same thing was done by Vladivoj in 1002 when he accepted emperor Henry II as his liege).
This should be quite easy, considering that whereas Premyslid should be pagan or orthodox, the rest of the nobility consists of catholics (well, presumably).

 

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Well, first recorded Slavnikid is... ehm... Slavnik who is said to die in 981, so it is doubtful that they even existed in 9th century. Even if they did, it doesn t seem like there was some dispute between them and Premyslid in this time; even though there is not much information about Bohemia in this period, something like such conflict would be mentioned.

The Premysls had 7 rulers before Premysl himself, at least legendarily, but I see your point.

I made a list of pagan Czech names a long time ago for CK1, and I've adapted it into a CK2-readable culture file:

	bohemian = {
		graphical_culture = westernslavicgfx
		
		color = { 0.4 0.6 0.5 }
		
		male_names = {
			Bezded Bezprym Bohun Bohuslav Boleslav Boriš Borivoj Bretislav Budislav Budivoj Bujín Cáslav Cernín Ctibor Ctirad Dlugoš Drahoš Hostislav Hostivít 
			Jaroš Jaromír Jaroslav Kazimír Kocel Kochan Kresomysl Kvetek Lešek Lestek Lidomir Mešek Mikuš Milhošt Miroslav Mojmír Mstiš Nacerat Nakon 
			Neklan Nerad Nezamysl Oneš Ostoj Pobraslav Porej Príbram Premysl Pribík Pribyslav Privitan Prkoš Ráž Radek Radim Radobyl Rostislav Rozroj Sezema Slavek 
			Slavibor Slavitah Slavník Slopan Sobebor Sobeslav Spytihnev Spytimír Stanoslav Stojan Strezimír Strojmír Svatobor Svatopluk Svojšek Svojen Svojslav 
			Všebor Václav Vítek Vacek Vacena Vitislav Vladislav Vladivoj Vladota Vlastislav Vnislav Vojen Vojtech Vražek Vratislav Zbyhnev Zderad Zlatoslav 
			Znanek Zvratek
		}
		female_names = {
			Žiznava Blažena Božena Božetecha Bohuna Bohuslava Borena Bratrice Bratruše Cernice Ctena Dúbrava Dobrava Dobroslava Doubravka Drahoslava Hnevka 
			Hodava Jelena Kresina Kvašena Kvetava Libuša Lubava Ludmila Mlada Netka Pluhava Radoslava Svatava Teta Trebava Václava Vendula Vlastena Vojtecha 
			Vratislava Zdislava Zorena
		}
		
		founder_named_dynasties = yes # this allows Sobeslav to form Sobeslavids, Nakon Nakonids, Premysl Premyslids, etc. naturally
		
		from_dynasty_prefix = "of " # unused
		
		male_patronym = "" # bare patronymic
		female_patronym = ""
		prefix = no # The patronym is added as a suffix
		
		# Chance of male children being named after their paternal or maternal grandfather, or their father. Sum must not exceed 100.
		pat_grf_name_chance = 25
		mat_grf_name_chance = 5
		father_name_chance = 20
		
		# Chance of female children being named after their paternal or maternal grandmother, or their mother. Sum must not exceed 100.
		pat_grm_name_chance = 25
		mat_grm_name_chance = 0
		mother_name_chance = 0
		
		modifier = default_culture_modifier
	}

tarbik, what do you think? It uses only Slavic Czech names, instead of the much later German-and-Christian names vanilla's culture file is littered with. I think the best part is, it allows Czech rulers to form their own dynasties nominatorily and thus the supremacy of the Premyslids is not assured. If a Znanek from Libice ends up conquering the Premyslids and dominating Bohemia, then it will be Znanekids who rule in their place, not the "of Libice" dynasty or something similarly anachronistic.

 

[The_Blind_One]

I find the mod very interesting.

But the fact that there has been spend almost no attention to anything outside europe is kind of dissapointing.

Specialy if you look at russia, which...at this point in time, should not even exist. No orthodoxy, no russian culture, none of it. Same goes for hungary, the hungarians shouldn't even have arived yet, it should be a mix of broken avars and pannonian slavs and moravians.

Meh but it would be alot to ask to fix all the pagan issues I wish u the best of luck on this massive project!

 

[Otto Bismarck]

Just some suggestions about Great Moravia:
- from the start, most of the nobility was Christian, although lower classes were generally still pagan
- Bohemia was not always part of Great Moravia; the only moravian ruler who had real power over it was Svatopluk, so it would be better to make it totally independent (with the expetion of Svatopluk rulership, that is)
- it would be great if you could make an event chain about christianization of G. M. with contest of latin priests (generally catholics from Germany) and the orthodox church represented mostly by native priest preaching in old church slavonic (Saints Cyril and Methodius were their teachers)
- the succesion system should be elective, as moravian magnates had great deal of independence (maybe it is possible to use a trait like "Born in Purple" to increase chances of Mojmirids to win it)
- as Hungary was not, in this time, inhabited by hungarians but avars (after all, Great Moravia was destroyd by hungarian raiders as soon as they came), it should be represented somehow (maybe via horde system?)

Oh, and if you make Bohemia independent, I could provide you with the names of dynasties and some rulers; but they should all be ruled by Premyslids. Also, although like in Great Moravia most of the nobility was christian, Premyslids were not; Borivoj I. was baptised in 883; also, Bohemian nobility was mostly christian (as they are records of some of them being babtised in Regensburg), Premyslids were orthodox (as Borivoj was baptized by Svatopluk s priests).
Oh, and Borivoj was probably cousion of Svatopluk and a son to Rostislav who ruled before Svatopluk (Svatopluk was Rostislav s nephew - that is also why I suggest to change the succesion law).

I am not a programmer, so I really don t know what is possible, but I can imagine that it would be hard to do all I suggest - mainly all those events. But I am willing to help with all this as much as I can.

I really appreciate the details of GM. I also read that the land was all pagan but the nobility was forced into catholic or either face invasion by East Francia. The problem is that without GM being pagan all of the pagan countries will be overrun by the catholic's. If you know of any other dynasties you can detail it would be greatly appreciated! I thought that the avar's didn't move into the hungary region until the 880's or so?

If these guys could be made playable some how I'd love it. They're all semi-mythic as most of what is known of them is in scandinavian sagas which are likely part fiction though the three sons who invaded england are mostly known by the Anglo Saxon Chronicle

Ragnar Lodbrok, born unknown, death reckoned between 840 and 865 at the hands of King AElle of northumbria, the later date is more likely as otherwise his sons would have gone to 25 years after his death before leading the 'Great Heathen Army' supposedly to avenge him. Nothing else is really known about him other than the fact he was a viking and a pirate hitting france and england mostly. It's believed his offspring/followers settled in northern france, creating Normandy (North Man/Norse man). Supposedly king of Denmark and Sweden

All are of the house of Lodbrokson and sons of Ragnar Lodbrok. They lead the first great danish invasion of England in 865

Ubba Ragnarrson, born unknown but from I can gather he had to be at least in his twenties, if not 30s or older when they invaded, died 878 (Battle of Cynuit), Family is stated above to the best of my knowledge and research, it is suggested their mother was Aslaug but she's in scandinavian mythology so I don't know if that's accurate.

Ivar the Boneless Ragnarrson, Born unknown, You know, I guess they were all in their 30s as they all had formidable reputations and lead a 'great army'. Death unknown, possibly 873. He was a ruler of an area probably comprising parts of modern-day Denmark and Sweden and was renowned as hot headed and a beserker where Ubba was more thoughtful


Halfdan Ragnarsson, born also unknown, died 877 in a new viking expedition. Was the first King of Jorvik before he was expelled. Apparently he helped his brothers conquer northumbria in 875 suggesting that Ivar lived past 873. He was the leader of the force who bloodied Alfred The Great's nose by taking Reading and holding it against an attempt to reclaim it though the Anglo Saxon chronicles list him as one of the commanders who suffered defeat at The Battle of Ashdown. in Ragnar's saga he is refered to as Hvitserk but in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle he is recorded as Halfdan.

There's also two other brother's who I don't know as much about as they didn't invade England but are recorded in Ragnar's death song/saga as Bjorn Ironside(supposedly King of Sweden after his father's death) and Sigurd-snake-in-the-eye who apparantly inherited Zealand, Scania, Halland, the Danish islands, and Viken.

Thanks for the information! could you provide detailed dynasties and locations of the counties they ruled and I will gladly implement them!

I find the mod very interesting.

But the fact that there has been spend almost no attention to anything outside europe is kind of dissapointing.

Specialy if you look at russia, which...at this point in time, should not even exist. No orthodoxy, no russian culture, none of it. Same goes for hungary, the hungarians shouldn't even have arived yet, it should be a mix of broken avars and pannonian slavs and moravians.

Meh but it would be alot to ask to fix all the pagan issues I wish u the best of luck on this massive project!

I have focused on europe because that is the easiest to research. Also, I can't know everything which is why I depend on people to correct me when I'm wrong.

 

[tarbik]

The Premysls had 7 rulers before Premysl himself, at least legendarily, but I see your point.

I made a list of pagan Czech names a long time ago for CK1, and I've adapted it into a CK2-readable culture file:

tarbik, what do you think? It uses only Slavic Czech names, instead of the much later German-and-Christian names vanilla's culture file is littered with. I think the best part is, it allows Czech rulers to form their own dynasties nominatorily and thus the supremacy of the Premyslids is not assured. If a Znanek from Libice ends up conquering the Premyslids and dominating Bohemia, then it will be Znanekids who rule in their place, not the "of Libice" dynasty or something similarly anachronistic.

I think it is definitely a good idea.

I really appreciate the details of GM. I also read that the land was all pagan but the nobility was forced into catholic or either face invasion by East Francia. The problem is that without GM being pagan all of the pagan countries will be overrun by the catholic's. If you know of any other dynasties you can detail it would be greatly appreciated! I thought that the avar's didn't move into the hungary region until the 880's or so?

Well, it seems that they converted before the foundation of GM (archeologist found some christian items like crosses etc. in some tombs which were older), and they supposedly converted because of the trade - after all, not only has Moravia good conditions for agriculture, but at this time, it was also one of the hubs of slave trade and land trade between western Europe and Eastern Romen Empire.
And even though they were christians, Eastern Francia invaded them multiple times.

As to the Avars - one of theories why GM was formed is that the moravian magnates, then ruled by avar invaders, needed strong leadership against their weakened oppresors (Avar expansion was stoped by Charlemagne in 791, when he invaded modern-day Hungary).

Unfortunately, the knowledge i have got about dynasties in this period is relatively small, so I am afraid that with the exception of Moimirids and Premyslids, I m not able to provide any help.

 

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I'm very much enjoying playing Treaty of Verdun - currently working on uniting the British Isles under the House of Wessex. One thing that's puzzling me is that I do not appear to be able to send my spy masters to study technology at all. Is this a feature or a bug? I am running vanilla Crusader Kings 2 patched to 1.07b with Treaty of Verdun 1.4, no other modifications applied. Thanks for a very enjoyable mod, I look forward to future developments.