So, I control enough lands to usurp the Sultanate of Africa, but the I can't because it says the holder is at war. However, he is not at war. He was, but now the war is over. Is this a bug or am I missing something? Here's some screenshots:
Can't usurp title from someone who is at war who isn't at war...
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Does "enough" mean you control the whole kingdom? You can't usurp a title from someone of another religion if he still holds land in it. If that's not it, try saving and reloading.
Edit: Also, what's with the double Caliphate title?
Edit: Also, what's with the double Caliphate title?
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@Ultma, Ahh, I forgot about that. No, he still controls 3 counties. That's probably what it is. Thanks. Out of curiosity, do you know the reason for this rule?
Edit: So I had reloaded previously, and the message didn't change or go away. After taking the rest of Africa from him, it was still there and wouldn't allow me to usurp it still. After another reload, I was able to. This seems to have been the problem, but that the message didn't change, and required a reload to actually usurp the title, seems like a bug.
Edit: So I had reloaded previously, and the message didn't change or go away. After taking the rest of Africa from him, it was still there and wouldn't allow me to usurp it still. After another reload, I was able to. This seems to have been the problem, but that the message didn't change, and required a reload to actually usurp the title, seems like a bug.
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If you usurp their primary title they go down a rank tier. If they have vassals of that tier they lose them.
You basically split the rest of his realm. If they kingdom is particularly small but the rest of his realm is large you can swallow the rest of his former realm piecemeal.
The real question (only slightly related) is why you cannot usurp a title off a fellow vassal/your liege without a strong claim.
You basically split the rest of his realm. If they kingdom is particularly small but the rest of his realm is large you can swallow the rest of his former realm piecemeal.
The real question (only slightly related) is why you cannot usurp a title off a fellow vassal/your liege without a strong claim.
@Naughtius Maximus So, what if the person of the other religion is the equivalent of an emperor, in this case, a caliph, and the kingdom is not the primary title? The Fatimid empire still had plenty of holdings without the kingdom of Africa. Also seems odd, because you can usurp the primary title of someone of your own religion, and do basically the same thing.
Probably because Holy Wars are an ezmode CB, allows you to swallow the newly independent realms without nearly as much truce breaking.
Fatamids are king tier. If they decided to make Africa their primary title over Egypt, Nothing much you can do. I highly doubt Fatamids are emperor tier. AI rarely ever make empires, let alone the Arabian Empire.
Also Caliphates are actually duke tier.
Fatamids are king tier. If they decided to make Africa their primary title over Egypt, Nothing much you can do. I highly doubt Fatamids are emperor tier. AI rarely ever make empires, let alone the Arabian Empire.
Also Caliphates are actually duke tier.
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Good point.
Ahh, okay. I had just assumed that since it was his title and he held multiple kingdoms. I don't know much about the non-Catholic ranks in the game.
Caliph is emperor tier for muslims, but that is different from the Sunni Caliphate and Shia Caliphate, the religious heads, are duke tier.
So basically in the 1066 start the Fatamids are Sultans, king tier. But they possess the Shia Caliphate.
The Seljuks are also King tier iirc, and their vassals the Abbasids in Babylon posess the Sunni Caliphate.
Neither are actually empires though if I remember correctly (I play Charlemagne these days) but I know for sure Fatamids are almost always king l just because the Arabian Empire is one of the most tedious empires to form, even for players.
So basically in the 1066 start the Fatamids are Sultans, king tier. But they possess the Shia Caliphate.
The Seljuks are also King tier iirc, and their vassals the Abbasids in Babylon posess the Sunni Caliphate.
Neither are actually empires though if I remember correctly (I play Charlemagne these days) but I know for sure Fatamids are almost always king l just because the Arabian Empire is one of the most tedious empires to form, even for players.
Yeah, the Arabian Empire is pretty expansive. He was a Caliph, and it was near the end of the game (1400s), but neither the Fatimids nor the Seljuks likely had enough of the Arabian Empire to have formed it. So I'm not really sure. As I get more familiar with the game I'd probably be able to comment more intelligently on it.
Edit: Looking back, he was indeed the religious head of the Shias, so I'm assuming that's where the title of Caliph is coming from.
Edit: Looking back, he was indeed the religious head of the Shias, so I'm assuming that's where the title of Caliph is coming from.
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The emperor tier for Arabic cultures is Badshah, but the religious head title overrides the higher tiered ones (Sultan, Badshah).
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Look at the caliph's title list next time you're in game. The actual caliphate title is a titular duchy (like all religious heads except the Papacy), but as a secular title it passes by the inheritance law of the holder's primary title, which can be anything (in theory; in practice they're restricted by Islam to Agnatic Open). Contrast with theocratic titular titles like the Papacy or a reformed pagan high priesthood (other than the Fylkirate), which override the normal inheritance law of the holder's other title(s).