Can't grant duchy or above level titles to my heir

[divinejustice]

So I haven't played CK2 in a little while, came back with latest patch as well as with charlemagne
expansion which I bought. I'm playing charlemagne for the new expansion scenario, I have a son who has come of age and has married, so I want to give him some duchies to get him started on the road to inheritance and power.

What i'm noticing is that I could only grant him a couple of counties or baronies out of the huge bunch that I have available to give, and when I give him a county, it does not open the option to grant him
higher level titles after, I can't really give him anything more. It only seems to happen for my heir, every other vassal I have I can give duchies or even kingdoms to, but for some strange reason my directheir cannot get anything else.

Never seen this happen before, anyone know what i'm missing?

 

[ZoCurious]

Gavelkind doesn't let you do that so that you don't end up giving away everything you have to one son.

 

[heliostellar]

It's new and WAD. I think they did this so you couldn't cheese keeping a lot of duchies in the family.

 

[Moardawts]

The amount of console command'ing I've been having to use to do simple things is getting absurd.

 

[Mikalos]

I agree, a "i win no challenge" button is needed

 

[divinejustice]

Gavelkind doesn't let you do that so that you don't end up giving away everything you have to one son.

WOW really? I mean I can somewhat understand the motivation, but this feels broken, it should at least let us grant 1 duchy or kingdom, if maybe not all. But this total block so that you can't make your heir any higher than a count
seems totally wrong.

They should fix this.

 

[heliostellar]

It's WAD. They did it to nerf Gavelkind cheese.

 

[vandevere]

It's WAD. They did it to nerf Gavelkind cheese.

Maybe they wouldn't cheese Gavelkind if it weren't already so cheesy already. Make Gavelkind less onerous, and they'll probably stop cheesing it.

 

[Fimconte]

It's WAD. They did it to nerf Gavelkind cheese.

Because you can't stop having kids and imprison/execute all the shitty heirs right?

 

[aitaituo]

WOW really? I mean I can somewhat understand the motivation, but this feels broken, it should at least let us grant 1 duchy or kingdom, if maybe not all. But this total block so that you can't make your heir any higher than a count
seems totally wrong.

They should fix this.

It's not that you can't grant them duchies, or even kingdoms, it's that you can't grant them anything their siblings are in line to inherit, because you're robbing your other children of their rightful inheritance by doing so. Hand out stuff to your other kids and your primary heir should be allowed to get more.

 

[Lord_P]

Gavelkind is a dumb system. Here is just one example:

I am Dyre of Könugardr. I have two sons and eight counties.

My first son and heir inherits 3 and my second son inherits 5.

Logic?

 

[divinejustice]

Because you can't stop having kids and imprison/execute all the shitty heirs right?

But I only have a daughter aside from my main male heir, how is it that she is entitled to like 5 duchies and 3 kingdoms? that can't be right

 

[Boodas]

But I only have a daughter aside from my main male heir, how is it that she is entitled to like 5 duchies and 3 kingdoms? that can't be right

What's your succession. Daughters don't inherit anything if you have sons. Unless your using cognatic gavelkind

 

[divinejustice]

What's your succession. Daughters don't inherit anything if you have sons. Unless your using cognatic gavelkind

Agnatic Gavilkind

 

[AntZudan]

I can get the reason for this but it's completely mucked up my game as charlemagne. Was trying to copy history and split the kingdoms between my three sons accurately! Now I'm gonna have to try and live till about 80 to change the succession laws cause I didn't know. Annoying.

 

[kal56]

I can get the reason for this but it's completely mucked up my game as charlemagne. Was trying to copy history and split the kingdoms between my three sons accurately! Now I'm gonna have to try and live till about 80 to change the succession laws cause I didn't know. Annoying.

Whoa necro thread.

 

[SigurdStormhand]

I've argued before that Gavelkind is backwards - because it "values" all the titles, so the first son get the highest title and then less land because of it.

The new restrictions are a huge pain - because they essentially prevent you from granting anything the child won't inherit anyway.

Currently Gavelkind assigns Empires, then Kingdoms, then Duchies, then Counties and finally baronies.

What it SHOULD do is assign all sons an equal number of counties, then assign the top title to the first son, then titles of equal rank to younger sons, then distribute remaining titles, starting with any sons who don't already have a title above County level.

So - for example -

If you have six counties, three Kingdoms and an Empire and three sons then each son should get two counties and a Kingdom, and the eldest should get the Empire.

It doesn't work like that, though.

 

[Fishman786]

The best way to deal with gavelkind is to hand titles out to your secondary sons before they die. However that's only really practical or beneficial if you are able to keep conquering new lands for your sons.

 

[napoleon_mayo]

I wish they would implement a "will" system where a living ruler can write a will and decide what sons get what titles and how his gold gets split up.