Can't form Independence Faction

[alexgriff]

Hey guys,

I'm pretty new at this game, but I feel like this is something I should be able to do. I can't form the independence faction at any time I've wanted to (if ever; I don't generally check the factions page just for kicks), but I have seen it formed by another vassal in the same Duchy. It was disbanded shortly thereafter, but still, it can be done.

I've run two new games, with and without my mods, and both have returned the same; no independence faction.

So, is there something I'm missing? I took a break from playing CK2 for a couple of months, but as I recall, I didn't have this issue previously, and I had formed the faction before. Are there any specific parameters I have to meet before I can found the faction?

And I should mention that I have the ability to form other factions, like supporting someone for High Chief or instituting new inheritance law.

 

[Hennenz]

Only one Independence faction can exist a time in a realm. If someone else has formed one, you can only join theirs or wait for them to disband. Check and see if that is the issue.

 

[alexgriff]

Right, should have mentioned that too. There are no other factions in play. Or, at least they're not displayed. Do I have to discover factions the way I discover plots?

 

[Hennenz]

Right, should have mentioned that too. There are no other factions in play. Or, at least they're not displayed. Do I have to discover factions the way I discover plots?

No, I don't believe so. If you aren't in Ironman mode, I'd suggest using the console to switch characters to another characters of the same station and liege and see if the option is available there. It may help you narrow down what the issue is.

Also, I don't think this is it, but is your liege a guardian to one of your children?

 

[alexgriff]

No. Just starting a new game it's unavailable, or three generations in still unavailable.

 

[balmung60]

If you're de jure and same culture and religion, I don't think that you can start the independence faction.

 

[alexgriff]

I don't think that's the issue either. It's the Lendians tribe, so, as far as I know, it has no de jure territory, but I could be wrong. And my character is Russian, and norse, but I'm pretty sure the leige is Polish, and I'm positive he's slavic, so that shouldn't be the problem either.

Although you did remind me that the last time I was capable of starting that faction, I had another province that was outside the initial state. So maybe that's it. Or it's a demense size thing. Although if that's true, it has to be the dumbest prerequisite I've ever heard of.

 

[aitaituo]

I assume you're a direct vassal of the top liege?

 

[alexgriff]

Yes. There's High Chief and below that there's me and a few other vassals. It's a completely independent realm.

 

[aitaituo]

This is strange, so I looked up the requirements in common/objectives/00_factions.txt which I've copied in the spoiler below.

Spoiler

	# Plotter scope
	potential = {
		is_ruler = yes
		independent = no
		is_landed = yes
		is_adult = yes
		
		NOT = { trait = incapable }
		
		higher_tier_than = BARON
		OR = {
			ai = yes
			is_feudal = yes
			higher_tier_than = COUNT
		}
		
		liege = {
			independent = yes
			NOT = {
				any_war = {
					using_cb = cb_faction_independence
				}
			}
			
			# Mongols and Aztecs do not have independence revolt problems before 1350
			OR = {
				year = 1350
				primary_title = { is_tribal_type_title = no }
				NOT = { culture = ROOT }
				NOT = { religion = ROOT }
				NOT = {
					OR = { 
						culture = nahuatl
						culture = mongol
					}
				}
			}
			
			# Not allowed to start factions like this if our capital borders the liege's capital
			NOT = {
				capital_scope = {
					any_neighbor_province = {
						ROOT = {
							capital_scope = {
								province = PREVPREV
							}
						}
					}
				}
			}
		}
		
		NOT = { has_landed_title = k_orthodox }
		
		NOT = { has_character_modifier = faction_independence_ultimatum_timer }
	}

Is your capital adjacent to your liege's?

 

[alexgriff]

That's it exactly! Thanks for the help!