Can't form France?

[GoWithTheFlo]

Hi,

I'm trying to form France, but I do not see any decision that will allow me to do so.

I am fulfilling all the requirements mentioned by the wiki...
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wiki: http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Forming_France
Divine Wind

Requirements
-Must not be Spain (a nation with Basque primary culture can form either France or Spain), the post-Renovatio Imperii Holy Roman Empire, or the Papal State.
-France and Revolutionary France must not currently exist.
-Must own and have cores on Maine, Berry, Vermandois, Île-de-France, Orléannais, Nemours, and Champagne.
-Primary culture must be in the French or Basque culture groups, or be the Breton culture.
-Must be at peace.
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Did the wiki miss something?
Thank you.

 

[grommile]

What is your primary culture?

 

[GoWithTheFlo]

Cosmopolitan French... I started a grand campaign as France...

 

[grommile]

I started a grand campaign as France...

That would be why you can't form France.

To clarify: There are only three ways to stop being France - become the Papal State by being a Catholic Theocracy when the Papal State gets annexed, become Revolutionary France by losing to the revolutionaries, or become the Holy Roman Empire by enacting Renovatio Imperii. If you are France or Revolutionary France, then France or Revolutionary France exists and the Form French Nation decision is unavailable. If you are the HRE or the Pope, you are ineligible to form France.

 

[GoWithTheFlo]

Damn, I feel stupid now

I guess I was thinking of revolutionary france, with the tricolor flag.

arrrrrrrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhhh *bangs head on the wall*

(thanks by the way!)

 

[wexer9]

You can't form France because you're already France.

 

[Pjstaab]

So is having France be able to be formed because you could be playing Britanny or Burgandy or any other french minor and defeat real france and re form it yourself?

 

[wexer9]

So is having France be able to be formed because you could be playing Britanny or Burgandy or any other french minor and defeat real france and re form it yourself?

Yes. Burgundy is especially able to do this.

 

[grommile]

Yes. Burgundy is especially able to do this.

However, you lose about ten million style points for doing so. For starters, you can paint the map a much nicer colour if you stay Burgundy

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

I should find out what colours all the releasable minors are, then find out what colour they are to people who can see properly

 

[grommile]

Various shades of blue, cyan, and bluish-purple. Except for Dauphiné, which is a pistachio colour rather similar to the Ottomans.

 

[unmerged(179469)]

That would be why you can't form France.

To clarify: There are only three ways to stop being France - become the Papal State by being a Catholic Theocracy when the Papal State gets annexed, become Revolutionary France by losing to the revolutionaries, or become the Holy Roman Empire by enacting Renovatio Imperii. If you are France or Revolutionary France, then France or Revolutionary France exists and the Form French Nation decision is unavailable. If you are the HRE or the Pope, you are ineligible to form France.

Or bankrupt culture shifting -> England/Great Britain/Prussia/Germany/Hindustan/Ireland/Italy/Malaya/Mughals/Netherlands/Persia/Byzantines/Romania/Russia/Sardinia-Piedmont/Scandinavia .

Lots of options really; Spain is the only one that's not possible, but you can get around that with two bankruptcies (or simply by becoming Rev France).

 

[T.j. Arnold]

Or bankrupt culture shifting -> England/Great Britain/Prussia/Germany/Hindustan/Ireland/Italy/Malaya/Mughals/Netherlands/Persia/Byzantines/Romania/Russia/Sardinia-Piedmont/Scandinavia .

Lots of options really; Spain is the only one that's not possible, but you can get around that with two bankruptcies (or simply by becoming Rev France).

What do you mean? England can form France if it no longer exists? 'tis unexpected!

And what do you mean by bankruptcies? If France is bankrupt twice, something happens?

 

[Cenobite30]

France enacts the Form France decision. French nationalists revolt in protest. So do French patriots. Both revolutions quickly disband when they can't decide on an enemy. French peasants revolt due to the utter absurdity of it all!

 

[unmerged(179469)]

What do you mean? England can form France if it no longer exists? 'tis unexpected!

And what do you mean by bankruptcies? If France is bankrupt twice, something happens?

France can't culture shift.

They can however move their capital to say, London, release all their minors, and cede the rest of their provinces in a war. They will now have English culture (assuming you haven't changed London's culture to Manchu or something through settlement policies); once they get all the required cores, they can form England.

They need two bankruptcies (a.k.a culture shifts) to create Spain because the Form Spain decision can't be made by countries with tag = FRA.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

You can't culture shift (at least by decision) for any of the cultural union countries, and thus there is a long list of countries that cannot form other countries.

In theory you could be France, change to a theocracy, wipe out the Papal States and become the Papal State, then go through the effort of culture shifting to form Spain (or whoever). It all seems too much effort though.

 

[RobRoy3]

You can't culture shift (at least by decision) for any of the cultural union countries, and thus there is a long list of countries that cannot form other countries.

In theory you could be France, change to a theocracy, wipe out the Papal States and become the Papal State, then go through the effort of culture shifting to form Spain (or whoever). It all seems too much effort though.

Right, but the non-decision way, mentioned above, can be tons of fun in a game that's become stale. Becoming a OPM, then going bankrupt, then trying to form a new country, can be quite a challenge, especially if you do it two or three times. The reward is you get to collect lots of nation-specific modifiers.

 

[grommile]

In theory you could be France, change to a theocracy, wipe out the Papal States and become the Papal State, then go through the effort of culture shifting to form Spain (or whoever). It all seems too much effort though.

All nation-forming decisions in DW explicitly disqualify the Papal State.

 

[gela1212]

All nation-forming decisions in DW explicitly disqualify the Papal State.

Except Persia, for some reason.

Edit: Also, if the rumor that Republics/Theocracies can become Emperor with hereditary rule is true, then it's also possible to reform into the HRE.

 

[DDRJake]

Republics can be the HRE. You have to pass hereditary rule as a monarchy but after that you're laughing.