Can't demand breaking personal union in a peace deal?

[Nerva]

This doesn't make sense to me -- I'm at war with Naples and Provence, with the latter the junior partner in a PU. Naples is 100% defeated, and I want to break their connection with Provence, but there seems to be no way to do this. If they were allies or a vassal, I could force an annul treaty. If Naples owned the territory I could force them to release Provence as an independent country. But because Provence is a junior partner in a PU, there seems to be nothing I can do?

 

[hitchens]

'break all treaties' i think its called

 

[joos]

I tried to do the same to Denmark when I realized with frustration you can't! (Thus was dropped my ideas for a Hanseatic North America)

I suppose you could take the provinces of the junior partner through the peace deal and release them as vassals

 

[Nerva]

This seems to qualify as a bug -- every other relationship can be cut in a peace deal.

 

[unmerged(204522)]

provence will probably end the PU because of naples abysmal prestige-declare war on both nations separately and this issue doesnt arise.

 

[unmerged(70580)]

I suspect it's WAD ... you can't stop one the King being King of two countries, it's a Union as well as an alliance.

It's probably just a tempory inconvenience though .. if you give Naples a good kicking, chances are that Provence won't remain in a PU when the Naples ruler dies.

 

[stnikolauswagne]

Damned, accidentally posted in the wrong thread. Anyway, if you want to break their pu just keep them occupied while they have under zero prestige and wait for their king to die.

 

[Nerva]

I suspect it's WAD ... you can't stop one the King being King of two countries, it's a Union as well as an alliance.

It's probably just a tempory inconvenience though .. if you give Naples a good kicking, chances are that Provence won't remain in a PU when the Naples ruler dies.

Yes, once I smacked Naples around, Provence broke the PU a short time later.

However, breaking PU's in peace agreements has historical support -- it's how the kingdoms of Denmark and Norway were separated.

 

[stnikolauswagne]

However, breaking PU's in peace agreements has historical support -- it's how the kingdoms of Denmark and Norway were separated.

But didnt Denmark allready "Inherit" Norway at that point? I seem to remember that in a later startdate Denmark owns both norway and Denmark itself.... In that case you could demand them to release Norway.

 

[The Blood Eagle]

You can't break the union because that would leave the lesser partner without a liege. There's a reason it's different from a vassal relationship - that you can break up.

 

[The Blood Eagle]

Damned, accidentally posted in the wrong thread. Anyway, if you want to break their pu just keep them occupied while they have under zero prestige and wait for their king to die.

The PU will continue on as long as the country is at war even if the king dies.

 

[herrhals]

You can demand Provence territory in a peace deal with Naples, including their capital if Provence has no other territory left.