Can't declare war nor marry off my prisoner

[Persipnei]

I just became the duke of Mumu and have all the kids of the chief of Urmhumhain (Urm, who is not yet my vassal) in my prison (yay raiding).

The old man of Urm died because of stress (who wouldn't in his case) just before I became duke (what can I say, I'm blessed).

Plan A was to ask his son to be my vassal but he says NO.

Plan B was to declare on him (and win instantly because he's my prisoner), but I can't seem to declare (no council empowered).

Plan C was to force marry him maternally to one of my daughters, but I can't seem to do that either.

My question: why do plan B and C not work?

 

[Arkenon]

You can not marry off your prisonners : they're in your court, but they're not your courtiers.
And one of the prerequisites for a war is that you do not hold your ennemy as prisonner (but if you join an ally in a war against your prisonner, your alliance instantly wins).

Those two limits are meant precisely to avoid the kind of plans you had for your prisonner ^^

 

[Persipnei]

But ... I didn't fix anything, it just happened

I guess I release and declare on the same day. I wanted to give him a peaceful chance...

 

[StarSword]

But ... I didn't fix anything, it just happened

I guess I release and declare on the same day. I wanted to give him a peaceful chance...

Ransom him and his family first and grab all the money you can, then declare war after you've bankrupted him.

 

[Czert]

well there should be modifier for vasalize if you have prisonrs of his family, especialy heirs, so he can be forced to vasalize to save thier lives and get them free.
mayby even nice idea for event comes to mind - you will svear felthy to me or i will execute your heir - refuse..no penalty for execution of prisoner.
of course this event will only be posible if you have way larger army or other itimidationg power over him.

 

[StarSword]

well there should be modifier for vasalize if you have prisonrs of his family, especialy heirs, so he can be forced to vasalize to save thier lives and get them free.
mayby even nice idea for event comes to mind - you will svear felthy to me or i will execute your heir - refuse..no penalty for execution of prisoner.
of course this event will only be posible if you have way larger army or other itimidationg power over him.

Yeah, there's a bunch of ways hostages ought to be usable in-game but aren't.

 

[Persipnei]

He didn't want to ransom himself nor his heirs. I parked my troops on his county, released and declared on the same day, captured him again 2 months later and revoked and threw in oubliette where he died not even a month later.

I didn't mind the outcome, but it is not really logical that AI prefers this end (a death as a royal) than the alternative (a life as a commoner). His bad.

Edit: well... maybe some threats should allow this behavior, but it shouldn't be the standard one.

 

[Duuk]

Personally I just wish I was able to educate my child prisoners. In game, Vlad Tepes would probably have switched to Turkish culture (but still Catholic religion).

 

[Czert]

Yeah, there's a bunch of ways hostages ought to be usable in-game but aren't.

well, since with conclave they are turned internal mechanicks, i hope in next dlc they will focus on more internal things on personal level, like interaction with prisoners, using lovets for certain dirty things like, soying..etc.